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The Climate Melters Are Not Paying Attention
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:16 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:16 am
One of the first things the President said yesterday in his speech is that he is willing to negotiate a new climate deal that is more advantageous to the United States.
Why is that a problem?
Why is that a problem?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:17 am to Douboy
because muh russian global warming
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:18 am to Douboy
because it was never about the climate, it was about Fing America over
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:20 am to Douboy
It's not a problem taken at face value.
But nobody is going to negotiate another deal, so it's basically an empty sound bite.
But nobody is going to negotiate another deal, so it's basically an empty sound bite.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:21 am to Salmon
Nobody is every going to want to make a legitimate deal with the US over climate issues? Ever again? Because of one non binding agreement?
Meh.
The world will deal again.
Meh.
The world will deal again.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:21 am to Salmon
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But nobody is going to negotiate another deal, so it's basically an empty sound bite.
Ok. Then they get what they get, then. If they don't want to negotiate, then don't cry about having no climate deal.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:23 am to Douboy
That agreement had China and India, two of the largest countries, running roughshod until 2030 while the US was being immediately strapped financially. Last time I checked, there is only one atmosphere. To have two countries who use the most pollutive means of energy production not only continue on their path but open even more plants while we hamstring ourselves is just a terrible deal for our country.
If this accord addresses such a dire and immediate need, countries who feel aggrieved that we aren't participating should perhaps look to create a more equitable deal for all parties involved. Just because the USA has the ability to foot the bill for something doesn't mean we should. There's a lot of freeloading countries out there that should understand that the time of free handouts is over.
If this accord addresses such a dire and immediate need, countries who feel aggrieved that we aren't participating should perhaps look to create a more equitable deal for all parties involved. Just because the USA has the ability to foot the bill for something doesn't mean we should. There's a lot of freeloading countries out there that should understand that the time of free handouts is over.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:23 am to Douboy
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One of the first things the President said yesterday in his speech is that he is willing to negotiate a new climate deal that is more advantageous to the United States.
He also said we'd continue to work towards green energy efficiency.
What these dumbfricks don't realize is the other counties didn't have to do near what we did and we were supposed to pay shite loads of global welfare.
Leaving the bullshite Paris Accords doesn't mean we're going to start purposefully spewing pollution into the oceans and atmosphere.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:24 am to Salmon
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But nobody is going to negotiate another deal, so it's basically an empty sound bite.
So the USA was going to finance the development of basically the world to fight Global Warming, and now that they aren't, who is going to take over the reigns and fork over the cash?
I'm guessing no one.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:29 am to Salmon
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But nobody is going to negotiate another deal, so it's basically an empty sound bite.
This deal was never approved by congress. Anyone with any American civics understanding knows that this means the deal is nonbinding. Foreign nations know this, and they will understand that a deal is good if the POTUS does what he is supposed to do and get congress to approve it. It's that simple.
Plus we are America; others will negotiate with us for that fact alone, regardless of this stupid deal
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:37 am to Midget Death Squad
It's an accord and not a treaty. Congress has to ratify treaties.
Semantics, but that is the deal. The accord was non binding and policy only to an executive who was receptive to it. It was toothless, and if there were punitive actions within the accord that would slap non participating signees, then it absolutely should have been sent before Congress for ratification.
Semantics, but that is the deal. The accord was non binding and policy only to an executive who was receptive to it. It was toothless, and if there were punitive actions within the accord that would slap non participating signees, then it absolutely should have been sent before Congress for ratification.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:39 am to Douboy
I mean it's either a hoax made up by the Chinese or it's not. That's the issue. Why even negotiate a new deal?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:43 am to DawgsLife
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Ok. Then they get what they get, then. If they don't want to negotiate, then don't cry about having no climate deal.
Well, they have a deal.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:43 am to Jobu93
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It's an accord and not a treaty. Congress has to ratify treaties.
Semantics, but that is the deal. The accord was non binding and policy only to an executive who was receptive to it. It was toothless, and if there were punitive actions within the accord that would slap non participating signees, then it absolutely should have been sent before Congress for ratification.
You're absolutely right, however Obama had every intention of treating this like a binding treaty and so would Clinton had she won. Agencies would have been established to facilitate this agreement and the US tax payer would have been bent over while the rest of the world benefited.
Once those agencies were established and new Neo-con republican president came to power, he would have continued following the accord as was the plan to begin with. Except, now we have Trump.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:45 am to olddawg26
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I mean it's either a hoax made up by the Chinese or it's not. That's the issue. Why even negotiate a new deal?
Nobody denied climate change. The deal was not a good deal for us, that's why. Pull your head out of your arse.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:45 am to olddawg26
Because in order to renegotiate, the other participating countries will have to realize that the President won't abdicate his countries wealth in a transfer to developing countries while they polute the worst of all nations.
You know, we have a POTUS who is more interested in the USA's well being rather than anyone else's.
You know, we have a POTUS who is more interested in the USA's well being rather than anyone else's.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:46 am to Douboy
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willing to negotiate a new climate deal that is more advantageous to the United States.
No one should have a problem in principle. The devil would be in the details.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 8:46 am to roadGator
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Nobody is every going to want to make a legitimate deal with the US over climate issues? Ever again? Because of one non binding agreement?
Meh.
The world will deal again.
Certainly these countries are going to be reluctant to make any deals with Trump because he doesn't make deals that frick him over. And the world has became used to a US that will just agree to any deal, no matter how bad it is for our own interests.
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