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re: Tesla: All our patents are belong to you
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:26 am to stuntman
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:26 am to stuntman
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Do you think if Coca-Cola gave out their recipe early on that they would be the massive company they are today?
This analogy doesn't really work when "cola" flavored soda had already been around for years when coke was first sold to the public.
Root beer and Dr. Pepper were also already on the market before Coca-Cola.
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:33 am to JohnnyKilroy
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This analogy doesn't really work when "cola" flavored soda had already been around for years when coke was first sold to the public.
Electric vehicles have been around a long time too.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:41 am to joshnorris14
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electric car programs (or programs for any vehicle that doesn’t burn hydrocarbons)
Where does the battery power come from, o supergenius? I like Tesla, but the dipshittedness amongst the brilliance is astounding.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 6:46 am to joshnorris14
I actually think this is a smart business move on his part. If the other car companies get in on the act, common infrastructure for these vehicles will expand and, that will be good even for Tesla.
And, of course, his point in the passage is a good one. Stopping other people from going where they are going is pretty counter to the message...."we're the good guys trying to save the world".
The folks at Tesla aren't dumb
And, of course, his point in the passage is a good one. Stopping other people from going where they are going is pretty counter to the message...."we're the good guys trying to save the world".
The folks at Tesla aren't dumb
Posted on 6/13/14 at 6:49 am to cwill
quote:Absolutely appropriate response to that moron.
Clown.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 6:53 am to joshnorris14
Sometimes I wonder if IP laws are like gun control laws.
They only stop the law abiding.
They only stop the law abiding.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:01 am to TrueTiger
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This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:59 am to joshnorris14
Did Musk share his source code for Pay Pal?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:12 am to HubbaBubba
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I would likely be pissed if I was an invester in Tesla. I mean, why give it away? License the frick out of the technology, THEN encourage innovation.
Not a knock on you as I get your point, but this type of thinking is one thing wrong with this country. Believe what you want about climate change, but Elon clearly thinks it is a huge concern and is willing to risk some of his profit for the good of the Earth. That is fricking commendable and makes me respect him even more than I already did. Wish I had the means to buy one right now.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:18 am to joshnorris14
Smart move on Musk's part... This will allow more people to get in the game and likely lead to cities investing in the infrastructure for charging stations and the likes.
An outside company isn't going to take these patents and immediately take market share from Tesla. Tesla will always be the first kid on the block that has "perfected" the technology. People will still tend to favor them over others in the game.
An outside company isn't going to take these patents and immediately take market share from Tesla. Tesla will always be the first kid on the block that has "perfected" the technology. People will still tend to favor them over others in the game.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:21 am to Lsut81
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Tesla will always be the first kid on the block that has "perfected" the technology. People will still tend to favor them over others in the game.
true, and the market does need a few more players to emerge to a broader base.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:25 am to ForeLSU
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true, and the market does need a few more players to emerge to a broader base.
Yup, Tesla can't shift the entire industry alone, they need more people with them and this move will allow more to jump in and ramp up the discussion.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:30 am to Lsut81
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Smart move on Musk's part... This will allow more people to get in the game and likely lead to cities investing in the infrastructure for charging stations and the likes.
Good point. The biggest hurdle in the acceptance of the electric car is definitely infrastructure - not the technology.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:32 am to a want
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definitely infrastructure - not the technology.
Yup and if you get more companies with skin in the game, that leads to more lobbying to politicians to make the investment.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 8:35 am to joshnorris14
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A company with balls.
More like a company with shite for brains. I understand wanting to promote your product but this is just stupid and reeks of desperation.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:01 am to TrueTiger
quote:This is often the case. Almost always.
Sometimes I wonder if IP laws are like gun control laws.
They only stop the law abiding.
That's because the cost of enforcing patents is often higher than what can be recovered for the infringement. And... Often patents are impeachable on technical issues.
Take the latest example... Amazon was issued a patent for taking pictures on a white background. LINK
Will Amazon pursue infringement cases against every (or even most) photographers that use this technique? Not possible. And even if they did, the case would be a loser. The patent is too technically flawed (prior art).
Maybe Amazon should "open source" this patent? Could get them some free advertising.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:19 am to Darth_Vader
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More like a company with shite for brains.
Elon Musk is one of the most intelligent people alive today as well as one of the most successful at starting/running a business. How is this a shitty idea?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:45 am to joshnorris14
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Elon Musk is one of the most intelligent people alive today as well as one of the most successful at starting/running a business. How is this a sh
You honestly do not understand how it's bad to give away all your patents on your product?
Look at it this way, let's say GM or Ford take those patents (which I'm sure they already have)and they take their own team of engineers and come up with their own version of the Tesla. Only difference is they've got their massive advantage in production capacity and huge dealer network that will allow them to produce and sell their version of the Tesla at a level Tesla could only dream of. On top of those two you can throw in other auto producers like Toyota, Honda, Nissan... etc, etc.
so on the one hand the goal of making a big market for electric cars is met, but on the other hand the Tesla company drowns in a sea of competition with players that dwarf it in every conceivable way.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:08 am to Darth_Vader
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so on the one hand the goal of making a big market for electric cars is met, but on the other hand the Tesla company drowns in a sea of competition with players that dwarf it in every conceivable way.
Or GM et al expand the market, mass produce the middling quality cars they always produce and Tesla captures the luxury market - the high quality vehicles.
Without expansion of infrastructure (the best hypothesis of why this was done so far) Tesla never becomes much of anything but the most expensive, coolest golf cart company in the World.
Don't be so shortsighted...Elon Musk isn't.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:15 am to Taxing Authority
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That's because the cost of enforcing patents is often higher than what can be recovered for the infringement.
True.
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Often patents are impeachable on technical issues
True - although impeachable isn't the right word. Patents aren't witnesses...but I understand your point and agree.
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Take the latest example... Amazon was issued a patent for taking pictures on a white background. LINK
Will Amazon pursue infringement cases against every (or even most) photographers that use this technique? Not possible. And even if they did, the case would be a loser. The patent is too technically flawed (prior art).
Ahh the dreaded Amazon patent which everyone's scared of but no one (at least no internet blogger) has taken the time to understand what the claims actually cover. Have you analyzed the claims against the prior art? or just read a couple links that show some pictures and some paragraphs of the description?
I'm not trying to rip on you - your point is very valid that there are thousands of patents that are too broad and wouldn't survive in court - I'm just not sure if the Amazon patent is one of them. The claims are quite specific. But it's just funny that so many internet bloggers are up in arms over this one.
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