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re: Tesla: All our patents are belong to you
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:27 am to OrangeBlood
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:27 am to OrangeBlood
quote:Indeed (and thank you). My word finding Thai morning isn't very good. The only other word I could think of was "bust" as my favorite attorney likes to use.
True - although impeachable isn't the right word
quote:I read the actual claim. As a former photographer, I honestly find nothing novel in it.
Have you analyzed the claims against the prior art? or just read a couple links that show some pictures and some paragraphs of the description?
quote:Indeed! I have considered patenting taking photographs at f/5.6, 1/1000th.
The claims are quite specific.
quote:I don't get the outrage. It's unenforceable. It does highlight some of the deficiencies in the application>grant process though.
But it's just funny that so many internet bloggers are up in arms over this one.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:28 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
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More like a company with shite for brains
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:33 am to Taxing Authority
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I read the actual claim. As a former photographer, I honestly find nothing novel in it.
Interesting - then you've put more thought into it than everyone else writing about it which is good.
Companies get patents all the time that they probably have some doubt about their validity - but what are they to do? The patent examiner says it's patentable...the company might have some doubts but nothing concrete they know about, so it's not like they're going to turn it down. A lot of those patents are in force for a few years, and when it comes time for the company to pay the maintenance fees on them 3.5 years after they issue, they just don't pay. The patent lapses (but is still out there on the internet).
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I don't get the outrage. It's unenforceable. It does highlight some of the deficiencies in the application>grant process though.
I agree - I understand the public concern, I don't get the public hysteria (at times). We have many more national issues to be hysterical about besides supposed "bad patents."
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:46 am to stuntman
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:15 pm to efrad
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You are not thinking like a businessman. You are thinking like a king. What is your end game here, market share? or profit?
Profit. Businesses exist for one purpose, to provide it's owner(s) profit. Abd like I said, the big auto companies will take the information that Tesla just handed them for free and use their massive resources to turn a profit on a level Tesla cannot compete with.
There us a reason that in the history of human commerse there has never been an instance where some guy had a great idea for a new product and he got rich by giving that idea away to his competition.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:56 pm to Darth_Vader
elon musk isn't a dummy.
there is a plan, and i'd bet it's a very smart one.
there is a plan, and i'd bet it's a very smart one.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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Profit. Businesses exist for one purpose, to provide it's owner(s) profit.
Of course. But like everyone has said here. Tesla is basically maxed out profit until the market for electric cars is expanded to a greater % of the population because they are the man at electric cars right now and well known for it too.
As many have theorized on here, the only way to do that is to expand the infrastructure or hope for a huge shift in the market conditions.
Elon can only do one thing to influence one of these things. If he allows other to use his technology and at the same time continues to improve and make top of the line electric cars, he will have a market share no matter what and also expand the % of the population that uses electric cars and also likely improve the infrastructure to use these cars throughout the country. People still love Ray Bans even though there are cheaper sunglasses that do the exact same thing.
Plus, there will be agreements made i would imagine even though he says free use. Companies using Tesla patents will want a contract to make sure Tesla won't back out of its promise to allow free use of patents. they will want legal standing once they start to use everything
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:16 pm to Darth_Vader
You don't seem like you're very aware of open source technology.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:18 pm to HubbaBubba
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I would likely be pissed if I was an invester in Tesla. I mean, why give it away? License the frick out of the technology, THEN encourage innovation.
Why? What is holding back Tesla is the development of the infrastructure to support the type of vehicles they are producing. If this move gets more companies producing similar vehicles thereby making the infrastructure upgrades necessary that would massively expand Tesla's potential market.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:09 pm to OrangeBlood
quote:Iindeed. And at times patents are filed before the full claims are finalized.
Companies get patents all the time that they probably have some doubt about their validity - but what are they to do? [...]it's not like they're going to turn it down.
Without knowing specifically what the Tesla patents were... Im willing to bet they weren't the valuable kind.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:11 pm to monsterballads
quote:Hell yeah! Look at all the free advertising and awareness he's getting without spending a dime.
elon musk isn't a dummy. there is a plan, and i'd bet it's a very smart one.
Who have even thought about Tesla today without this publicity stunt?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:13 pm to glaucon
quote:Exactly. It's so hard finding electricity, but maybe one day it will be in almost every home.
What is holding back Tesla is the development of the infrastructure to support the type of vehicles they are producing.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:22 pm to Taxing Authority
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:25 pm to efrad
I know. We need electricity at road side business too.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:32 pm to Taxing Authority
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:34 pm to efrad
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So they chose to go the open source route. They found a decent open source web browser, KHTML, forked it into the Webkit project, beefed it up and turned it into Safari, and rereleased the source code for all to use in their own projects. Sure, they were obligated to do so under the KHTML license, but they purposely went into this endeavor knowing that. To further adoption of the browser, they released it for free on Windows, even though that doesn't make them any profit.
Your comparison of what Apple did and what Tesla is now doing would be accurate had Apple gone and given all their patents to Microsoft... But they didn't do that now did they?
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:55 pm to Darth_Vader
Time to get out of any Tesla investments. Appears Elon has gotten his cash, and now hes ready to ride off into to the sunset as a champion of the environment (either that, or he now knows that he'll never have the battery technology to make this car for the long haul)
Either way, stocks are about to bottom out
Either way, stocks are about to bottom out
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 5:04 pm to efrad
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Apple spent tons of R&D money for technology it gave away, that other companies made more use of than it did, for the sake of bettering the market overall. That's the point, and that's exactly what Tesla is doing.
Keep telling yourself that. Like I said, there is a reason no business has ever done what he's done. He might he smart, but it's not like this bastard has suddenly figured out some great business move that nobody before has ever thought of. You don't just give away all your patents. It's beyond stupid.
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