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Ted Koppel/Sean Hannity - A lesson in context

Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted by HoopyD
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:36 pm
Every headline I've read today said "Ted Koppel tells Sean Hannity he is bad for America". When I actually saw the clip, Koppel was not only referring to Hannity but to all opinion shows. In fact, Koppel said...

"In the long haul I think you and all these opinion shows....." are bad for America.

Where it really gets strange is now all the "opinion shows" and website are running it as if Koppel was only singling out Hannity, thereby perpetuating the thing that Koppel was actually warning against.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

Koppel was not only referring to Hannity but to all opinion shows.
In other words he was referring to the entirety of the MSM.
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

Koppel was not only referring to Hannity but to all opinion shows.
In other words he was referring to the entirety of the MSM.


I disagree. I think the claim was directed primarily toward the conservative media, Hannity in particular.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

A lesson in context


No doubt b/c I saw that headline on Yahoo.......then realized it was Yahoo so it was probably fake news. Sure enough.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:44 pm to
Sounds like Koppel is giving an opinion.

About opinion shows on TV being bad.

On TV.






And he doesn't even realize it.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:47 pm to
I wondered, so I went to a NOLA.com article (which is headlined "Fox News host Sean Hannity is bad for America, Ted Koppel says."

Inside the story, however, is this:

quote:

In the decade-plus since he stepped down as host of ABC's "Nightline" after 25 years, Koppel has lamented a changing media landscape that he says "celebrates the opinions" of overtly partisan news hosts at the expense of neutral reporting. He has criticized journalists on the right and the left for biased coverage, particularly those at Fox News and its liberal-leaning rival MSNBC.

"The commercial success of both Fox News and MSNBC is a source of nonpartisan sadness for me. While I can appreciate the financial logic of drowning television viewers in a flood of opinions designed to confirm their own biases, the trend is not good for the republic," Koppel wrote in a Washington Post column in 2010.

"Beginning, perhaps, from the reasonable perspective that absolute objectivity is unattainable, Fox News and MSNBC no longer even attempt it," he said. "They show us the world not as it is, but as partisans (and loyal viewers) at either end of the political spectrum would like it to be. This is to journalism what Bernie Madoff was to investment: He told his customers what they wanted to hear, and by the time they learned the truth, their money was gone."

In the same column, Koppel called then-MSNBC host Keith Olbermann the "most opinionated" among the network's "left-leaning, Fox-baiting, money-generating hosts. More than a million viewers flocked to his nightly program because Olbermann was "unabashedly and monotonously partisan," he said.

Koppel lumped MSNBC host Rachel Maddow into the same category, along with Glenn Beck, who was a Fox News host at the time.

I bet he thought Eric Sevareid and John Chancellor opining liberal pablum on CBS and NBC was A-OK, though

And how can I forget David Brinkley? He was a smartass liberal on NBC and ABC (he was a news anchor before the Sunday morning show).
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

Koppel was not only referring to Hannity but to all opinion shows.
In other words he was referring to the entirety of the MSM.


I disagree.
There was a skosh of sarcasm in my post.
2/3rds or more of Koppel's reporting was typically and obviously reflective of his opinion. He clearly was not intending self-deprecation in his asininity.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

In the long haul I think you and all these opinion shows....." are bad for America.
The Bizarro take-away here is that in Koppel's opinion, opinion shows and the people who run them are bad for America. How does he not see the sweet irony of his very opinion- based question?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:04 pm to
I thought the context was pretty clear in the exchange I saw. Hannity asked him if he thought he was bad, or that opinion/news entertainment shows were bad, for America and Koppel answered in the affirmative.

Hannity himself muddied the waters with his tweet trying to save face, though I guess some may have construed it as only a comment aimed at Hannity.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

"In the long haul I think


Koppel, sounds like you have opinions, too.

According to Hannity, it was a 50-55 minute interview. yet only 70 seconds of the interview was actually made public, and Hannity said that Koppel told him the full interview would never be aired.

That's bizarre.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27484 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:15 pm to
Probably most of you on here were still chasing coeds in the 1990's when Koppel was at his highest. Overall, Koppel was a straight shooter, he would go after people he thought were spinning him or evading him....did not matter whether they were left or right. He would go in depth on a subject.

He might have been an old fashioned liberal, but he was not of the type we see today. I put him up there in the fairness department with the late Tim Russert.

and

Hannity is a clown....Limbaugh blows him out of the water on his worst day as does Tucker Carlson on TV. He's not very deep in his analysis, he's just a regurgitator of talking points
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21874 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

Hannity is a clown....Limbaugh blows him out of the water on his worst day as does Tucker Carlson on TV. He's not very deep in his analysis, he's just a regurgitator of talking points


Hannity is nothing more than a Rush wannabe with no talent.
Even Rush has been awful for over 10 years but is still 10 times better than Hannity on Hannity's best day.

Like him or not Rush was a radio force back in the late 80s and early 90s. Back then he was funny and had great lines. Now not so much.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24741 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:49 pm to
It's Koppel's opinion that other people's opinions are bad for America?

Somehow, Ted Koppel's opinion show is righteous, but everyone else's opinion shows are bad for America.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24747 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:52 pm to
He's a leftist douche-bag.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5833 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:06 pm to
The problem is when people think a opinion show is news and they think the host is a journalist.
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
16904 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:08 pm to
Yep, Koppel really gave a great example of what fake news is.

How ironic, don't you think?!
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

Somehow, Ted Koppel's opinion show is righteous, but everyone else's opinion shows are bad for America.


Exactly.


Also, wake me up when Koppel ambushes someone like Maddow, Stephanopoulos, Blitzer, Matthews, Pelley, Tapper, Raddatz, etc.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

quote:
Koppel was not only referring to Hannity but to all opinion shows.
In other words he was referring to the entirety of the MSM.


I disagree. I think the claim was directed primarily toward the conservative media, Hannity in particular.



That's how Koppel meant it, but the entire MSM is an opinion show.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38271 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:13 pm to
There was 50 minutes to that interview.

I would love to hear the whole thing.
Posted by Bogie00
Tiger in Kansas
Member since Apr 2012
5703 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:38 pm to
Such BS!!!

Hannity is totally upfront about being a conservative partisan talk show host, radio and TV.

He regularly has guests from left and right of political spectrum.

Sure his viewers/listeners will be in line with his leanings. Does not make him bad for America. Good Lord, what is wrong is that most MSM will not admit they are pushing their leftist opinions.
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