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Technologies instead of a wall?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:57 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:57 am
In certain areas, the wall makes sense, because of how quickly someone entering the U.S. could disappear into urban areas.
However, in remote areas, it would make much more sense to utilize newer tethered drones with high performance thermal, IR and color night vision cameras that can stay up 24/7 and monitor for 3-4 miles every direction, feeding data back to a central ISR command which would dispatch human resources to any penetration point for interdiction.
This suits me, as it deploys immediately available and proven technologies that could be put into place and be operational across the entire border within less than a year.
Dollars spent would be far less than a physical wall, and funds could be redirected into building holding centers, staffing and training for patrol agents.
Anyone have reasonable arguments against this as an option to a wall?
However, in remote areas, it would make much more sense to utilize newer tethered drones with high performance thermal, IR and color night vision cameras that can stay up 24/7 and monitor for 3-4 miles every direction, feeding data back to a central ISR command which would dispatch human resources to any penetration point for interdiction.
This suits me, as it deploys immediately available and proven technologies that could be put into place and be operational across the entire border within less than a year.
Dollars spent would be far less than a physical wall, and funds could be redirected into building holding centers, staffing and training for patrol agents.
Anyone have reasonable arguments against this as an option to a wall?
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:01 am to HubbaBubba
Absolutely and fine those that hire illegals heavily.
Create a work program for migrants and a long and challenging path to citizenship that never includes welfare or voting for current illegals without arrests.
You can stay but you do not deserve the full rights of citizenship because you came here illegally.
That's fair for those that did it the right way. I suspect the left would be fine with this since they are all about fairness.
Create a work program for migrants and a long and challenging path to citizenship that never includes welfare or voting for current illegals without arrests.
You can stay but you do not deserve the full rights of citizenship because you came here illegally.
That's fair for those that did it the right way. I suspect the left would be fine with this since they are all about fairness.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 7:21 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:42 am to HubbaBubba
My favorite tech is pits with spikes, pits with snakes, and mines.
Cheap cheap cheap
Cheap cheap cheap
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:57 am to HubbaBubba
How about a functioning immigration system? Let's start there.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:59 am to HubbaBubba
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More ammo & the freedom to use it instead of a wall?
FIFY
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:01 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:it was functioning fine til Dems destroyed the system for more votes
How about a functioning immigration system? Let's start there
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:02 am to HubbaBubba
Would work much better than a physical wall too. In fact the wall blocks line of sight so you would need more technology to compensate.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:05 am to HubbaBubba
quote:And the monitoring could be shut down immediately by the next SJW prez. It's valuable and effective technology, but use it only in areas where a wall can't be built, imo, or in a limited capacity in addition to the wall in problem areas.
it deploys immediately available and proven technologies that could be put into place and be operational across the entire border within less than a year.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:06 am to HubbaBubba
To me, all of these are walls, effective in protecting our sovereignty. Actual walls are a visual deterrent as much as a physical one. In some places seeing the huge, beautiful wall is necessary.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:08 am to HubbaBubba
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Technologies instead of a wall?
Would be cool, and I could get behind it 100%
The problem is:
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Technologies
congress is currently run by lots of old people on both sides of the isle... in my experience, old people tend to be extremely scared of technology
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:08 am to roadGator
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Absolutely and fine those that hire illegals heavily.
That would pretty much grind it to a crawl.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:10 am to HubbaBubba
Why not have the drones dispatch bullets instead?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:11 am to BaddestAndvari
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Would be cool, and I could get behind it 100%
without the physical barrier of a wall, how would that work?
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in my experience, old people tend to be extremely scared of technology
In my experience, young people tend to be extremely gullible when it comes to belief in technologies.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:18 am to HubbaBubba
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In certain areas, the wall makes sense, because of how quickly someone entering the U.S. could disappear into urban areas.
Those walls already exist....accept in extremely rural areas of the border where there is a crossing....
Trump can call it a metaphorical wall and it does not have to be a highly visible sign of an empty gesture, one that would be viewable from space for generations to come.
Can we use better border security? No doubt...the question is a wall built in some of the most remote places in the first world the best way to do so? I personally think that more agents in places like San Diego and El Paso and technology would make much better sense...most of the area needs a wall like we all need another hole on our head...there is already a natural barrier that is nigh impenetrable along the majority of the border....why add to that? It would be akin to Switzerland building a wall around themselves when they have the best natural wall that could possible exist.
I really don't think that most Americans realize just how desolate and remote most of the border area is.....especially in the southern side of it....I know that people on the east coast, even those who have visited the area, have any real concept of the vastness...it is literally overwhelming for those of us used to being east of the Mississippi and experiencing it for an extended period of time....
Seriously....I hunt with some guys that shoot coyotes at 8 and 900 years on a regular basis...they think nothing of it....sometime or another visualize 8 football fields and seeing an animal the size of a small dog when you can see to the horizon and everything looks the same...that is what the vast majority of the border looks like....most people on the east coast can't even imagine what a horizon looks like that isn't preceded by water....I can see a pass in the Guadalupe Mountains from my desk right now that is nearly 40 miles from here....there ain't even a ranch between here and there. 40 miles....the distance from the south side of Atlanta to Macon.....
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:38 am to roadGator
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Absolutely and fine those that hire illegals heavily.
Create a work program for migrants and a long and challenging path to citizenship that never includes welfare or voting for current illegals without arrests.
You can stay but you do not deserve the full rights of citizenship because you came here illegally.
That's fair for those that did it the right way. I suspect the left would be fine with this since they are all about fairness.
I agree 100%- Stop supply of jobs and they will stop coming. (We do need a functional work visa program.)
There will be some push back about letting them stay- even without full rights- but a law has to be passed now, with republicans in charge. It wont be perfect, but this may be the only chance for a while to get it done remotely right.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:43 am to Dale51
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without the physical barrier of a wall, how would that work?
A) What keeps someone from bringing a ladder to a wall fight to get over your "physical wall"
B) If you are looking into the Mexican side and a physical wall is up... welp, you can't see through it, so it's going to take technology to keep the other side of the wall constantly monitored anyways
C) Do you not realize how good technology has gotten with facial recognition and alert software?
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In my experience, young people tend to be extremely gullible when it comes to belief in technologies.
Just because you broke your 3rd iPad last night from your great grandson by trying to write on it with a pencil doesn't mean all technology is bad grandpa
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:49 am to Dale51
quote:These are technologies already deployed by the military for threat assessment, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance in remote tactical operations.
without the physical barrier of a wall, how would that work?
DHS/Border Security already deploy multiple surveillance solutions and interdiction resources across the border. Additional technologies that enhance their current capabilities could make the border (in areas utilizing these technologies) highly secure. I have some classified Navy Seal videos I can't show here where they are using a new CMOS Sensor allowing them to see at night, in color, so clear it looks like daylight instead of complete darkness under a starlit sky.
Here's a recent example of a declassified video clip aboard the George Washington during night flight operations near midnight in an undisclosed location off the Atlantic coast. I was aboard performing proof-of-concept testing for a new deterrence system and this was one of the test products being evaluated by the Navy. As anyone who has ever been aboard a flattop will attest, it is almost pitch black during night operations and certainly you can't see the ocean or horizon, but notice in this video clip that you can.
LINK
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:52 am to HubbaBubba
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Dollars spent would be far less than a physical wall, and funds could be redirected into building holding centers, staffing and training for patrol agents.
Anyone have reasonable arguments against this as an option to a wall?
As the last few months have seen, the primary barrier needed to enter the US is psychological. If people think that violating US immigration law will not benefit them, then they won't even come, which will be better for us, Mexico, and the people themselves. The only way they don't come is if they BELIEVE that they will be stopped and returned.
A wall (and mean words) creates that psychological barrier. Drones do not.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:57 am to MButterfly
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mines
Been saying this for years.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:57 am to Aubie Spr96
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How about a functioning immigration system? Let's start there.
We have one. It's been overrun by whiny criminal aliens.
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