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Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:02 am to DelU249
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but that's not all of it. there are times when it's clearly deliberate..
Oh, I agree. I don't think it's mutually exclusive.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
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Both elegant and crude at the same time. And I don't think it is 100% conscious, so that goes back to my argument that Trump is a political savant. That is why it is difficult for the progressives to oppose him, because they're mentally ill without the super powers of a savant.
His greatest advantage is that he isn't a slave to orthodoxy or special interests. He gets to wield very strong majority opinions.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:31 am to Revelator
Actually America is winning this debate 
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:47 am to Revelator
Trump has a brilliant way of baiting his enemies into taking very vocal stances on really unpopular positions.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:01 am to AUbused
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he fact is that, no matter what the intent of the kneeling, they were never going to get past the optics of doing it during the national anthem. To your average american its just plain disrespectful, unnecessary, and honestly counterproductive.
Yep and if you add into that the fact that most Americans know that the bullshite they are protesting is an entire fabrication anyway, There is no systematic racism in law enforcement in this country.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:03 am to Revelator
Duh.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:05 am to Revelator
Yes they lost the message because they picked a shitty way of messaging.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:05 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This. Your cause can be as noble and just as can be (for the record, the assertion that black people in the USA in 2017 are an oppressed demographic targeted for extermination by police is complete bunk, but i digress), but if you choose to make a time specifically designated to honor symbols of unity (RE: the flag/anthem) your time to spread a message of political divisiveness, you're going to have a rough go of it from a perception standpoint.
And now that the NFL has realized they screwed up by allowing it to happen, some are further screwing themselves over by suggesting boycotts against NFL advertisers LOL , yeah get the NFL shut down, that will help help black people. You morons.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:21 am to the808bass
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They set out to shock people into understanding how racist America is by purposefully impugning a symbol of America. Now they’re shocked that they’re understood.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:25 am to thejudge
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They set out to shock people into understanding how racist America is by purposefully impugning a symbol of America. Now they’re shocked that they’re understood.
^ THis and when called on it, they didn't even have the balls to admit it. Instead they tried to pretend that protesting during the national anthem had nothing to do with protesting the US as a country LOL
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:29 am to DelU249
Apparently mentioning my political leanings as a non-leftist black guy is very irksome to some MSB posters 
I don't get many haters so it's kind of a big deal for me when someone up and admits I get under their skin without me really even trying
I don't get many haters so it's kind of a big deal for me when someone up and admits I get under their skin without me really even trying
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