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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:53 am to baybeefeetz
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:53 am to baybeefeetz
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A North Dakota woman who police say was using Facebook on her cellphone when she crashed into another car is accused of negligent homicide in the death of a great-grandmother during the May accident.
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You'll be anxious to jump on this argument. But I'd be careful.
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:57 am to the808bass
start a thread about it then
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:58 am to baybeefeetz
Here's a better one.
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(CNN) -- A popular Kentucky high school football coach was arraigned Monday on a reckless homicide charge in the heat-exhaustion-related death of one of his players.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:00 am to the808bass
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Are ordinary citizens prosecuted for homicides in cases where the actions they performed would not be reasonably likely to kill someone?
When acting in their official capacity, police officers are not "ordinary citizens" and the actions they perform are protected by the law when the action would not be reasonably likely to kill someone.
If the reasonable actions that police perform weren't protected then no one would be a police officer.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:04 am to the808bass
No stats?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:22 am to baybeefeetz
What sort of stats would you find acceptable?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:23 am to DawgfaninCa
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When acting in their official capacity, police officers are not "ordinary citizens" and the actions they perform are protected by the law when the action would not be reasonably likely to kill someone. If the reasonable actions that police perform weren't protected then no one would be a police officer.
And if police get to kill people with impunity and say "oops," no one will want a police force.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:55 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:Why are you so embarrassed about this thread? Like the kid who picks up his basketball and goes home because someone called a foul on him.
see admins. Just anchor or delete. Way to much stupid in this thread now
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:00 pm to meauxjeaux2
How long did he have him in a chokehold then?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:00 pm to the808bass
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When acting in their official capacity, police officers are not "ordinary citizens" and the actions they perform are protected by the law when the action would not be reasonably likely to kill someone. If the reasonable actions that police perform weren't protected then no one would be a police officer.
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And if police get to kill people with impunity and say "oops," no one will want a police force.
I want bad cops to be punished as much as you do but when someone refuses to obey the lawful order of a police officer and resists allowing the officer to place him under arrest and cuff him and, as a result, the police officer has no choice but to use physical force in order to cuff the person then if the person is injured or even killed in the process of being cuffed, it is the fault of the person resisting arrest not the police officer.
Apparently, that is what the GJ determined happened in this case and I agree with them.
Now go find a bad cop who deliberately used excessive physical force and as a result someone was killed and I'll agree with you that he should be punished to the fullest extent the law allows.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:12 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I want bad cops to be punished as much as you do but when someone refuses to obey the lawful order of a police officer and resists allowing all the officer to place him under arrest and cuff him and, as a result, the police officer has no choice but to use physical force in order to cuff the person then if the person is injured or even killed in the process of being cuffed, it is the fault of the person resisting arrest not the police officer.
Using this logic, any person resisting arrest could be shot.
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find a bad cop who deliberately used excessive physical force and as a result someone was killed and I'll agree with you that he should be punished to the fullest extent the law allows.
Great in theory. In reality, it ends up being Kelly Thomas. Where cops can kill with impunity.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:24 pm to the808bass
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Using this logic, any person resisting arrest could be shot.
Nonsense.
The law only allows a police officer to use just enough physical force necessary to subdue the person.
That's what the police did in this case.
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find a bad cop who deliberately used excessive physical force and as a result someone was killed and I'll agree with you that he should be punished to the fullest extent the law allows.
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Great in theory. In reality, it ends up being Kelly Thomas. Where cops can kill with impunity.
More nonsense.
In reality, what you want to do is keep the police from being able to detain anyone who resists arrest and that would result in anarchy.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:30 pm to DawgfaninCa
I'm guessing you have no idea who Kelly Thomas is. I'm not a fan of anarchy. I'm not a fan of cops with no accountability. I'm not a fan of a system which will not or cannot, because of structural reasons, hold police officers accountable for their actions.
Pretending everything that happened in the Eric Garner case is justified will only heighten the divide between law enforcement and civilians. I think the divide has always been there. The civilians are just starting to notice.
Pretending everything that happened in the Eric Garner case is justified will only heighten the divide between law enforcement and civilians. I think the divide has always been there. The civilians are just starting to notice.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:52 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Delete admins-this subject has run its course.
You may be the biggest pussy on this site pulling a bullshite move like this.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:22 pm to the808bass
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I'm guessing you have no idea who Kelly Thomas is.
The Kelly Thomas case is very different than this case.
Of the six officers present when the horrible beating of Thomas occurred, two of them were charged with second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter and eventually went to trial but were found not guilty of any criminal charges. After the verdicts, the DA chose not to proceed with the third officer's trial.
Based on the 35 minute video, I disagree with the verdicts. If I was a member of the jury I would have convicted the two police officers of 2nd degree murder.
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I'm not a fan of anarchy.
If you want to stop police officers from using reasonable physical force in order to subdue someone who is resisting arrest then you are in favor of anarchy whether you know it or not.
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I'm not a fan of cops with no accountability.
Neither am I.
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I'm not a fan of a system which will not or cannot, because of structural reasons, hold police officers accountable for their actions.
The system wanted to hold the 3 police officers accountable for their actions but apparently the jurors didn't.
That's not the fault of the system. That's the fault of the jurors.
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Pretending everything that happened in the Eric Garner case is justified will only heighten the divide between law enforcement and civilians.
Pretending that Garner is not responsible for the legal physical force that the police had to use in order to subdue him will only heighten the divide between law enforcement and civilians.
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I think the divide has always been there. The civilians are just starting to notice.
There will always be a divide between those civilians who will obey the lawful order of a police officer and those that won't.
It's the difference between being smart and being stupid.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:38 pm to DawgfaninCa
My biggest problem with these recent shooting threads is that, almost to a man, I could have told you the opinion of every poster in these threads based solely on their past history of largely unrelated political statements.
For instance, I would have bet everything I owned that DawgfaninCa would defend the actions of the police in this case and I would have won big. I could have told you beyond a shadow of a doubt most of the posters who defended Michael Brown in the other case.
That is a problem, because people are picking sides in these cases based on things totally unrelated to the evidence.
For instance, I would have bet everything I owned that DawgfaninCa would defend the actions of the police in this case and I would have won big. I could have told you beyond a shadow of a doubt most of the posters who defended Michael Brown in the other case.
That is a problem, because people are picking sides in these cases based on things totally unrelated to the evidence.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:41 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The law only allows a police officer to use just enough physical force necessary to subdue the person.
And for the record, this actually isn't true. There are many cases where the minimum force necessary to stop someone from escaping would be grounds for prosecution.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:03 pm to GumboPot
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excessive force was used.
BS
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
Outlier.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:31 pm to ljhog
Thanks for checking in, cop.
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