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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:02 am to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:02 am to meauxjeaux2
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You have an agenda it's obvious.
Pot meet kettle
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:02 am to the808bass
i get it.Would it still be homicide if they got the man all worked up and he died of a heart attack? I mean, they did get him worked up right?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:04 am to meauxjeaux2
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i get it.Would it still be homicide if they got the man all worked up and he died of a heart attack? I mean, they did get him worked up right?
Listen. You said "I don't believe anyone took anyone's life." The ME disagrees.
Explain to me how the ME would find it a homicide if you "got someone worked up" and we'll talk. Or we can admit you're talking through your hat at this point.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:04 am to DelU249
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homicide plain and simple
Of course it was homicide.
According to an attorney who spoke on TV, "homicide" only means the death of a person caused by the acts of another person.
Homicide is not necessarily a crime.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:08 am to DawgfaninCa
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No one is arguing that it wasn't homicide
In fact, that is exactly what meaujeaux is arguing.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:08 am to the808bass
Where is the report? Let's analyze it, because it seems like it must be more complex than is being reported in many news sources.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:10 am to baybeefeetz
Sure. Post it and let's discuss.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:10 am to DawgfaninCa
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Homicide is not necessarily a crime.
That is correct, but in this case was it a justifiable homicide? Was the man threatening the lives of the cops or of anyone else in the immediate area?
They used deadly force in a situation that did not call for it.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:21 am to the808bass
You still get to the same situation. A guy is about to r lawfully arrested. He won't comply. You have to wrestle thr guy to the ground and cuff him. I don't have a problem with squeezing his neck to make him stop wriggling around. This force was proportionate. The guy died, though, and imo it was a fluke that he died , based on the video.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:22 am to the808bass
quote:What meauxjeaux posted was the semantics of a chokehold vs. a headlock.
In fact, that is exactly what meaujeaux is arguing.
Is there not another thread going on on this board that you can talk about this shite on?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:27 am to meauxjeaux2
You also said "I don't believe anyone took anyone's life."
If you don't want someone to point out the flaws in your logic, don't start a thread.
If you don't want someone to point out the flaws in your logic, don't start a thread.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:28 am to baybeefeetz
Probably been said already, but the real issue is why are we as a society allowing cops to be used as a revenue generating stream for government?
They were only out there because there is a law against selling untaxed cigarettes, and this activity was so nefarious that someone deemed it necessary to send out 5 cops to arrest the guy, when at worst he should have been cited and fined.
They were only out there because there is a law against selling untaxed cigarettes, and this activity was so nefarious that someone deemed it necessary to send out 5 cops to arrest the guy, when at worst he should have been cited and fined.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:28 am to meauxjeaux2
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What meauxjeaux posted was the semantics of a chokehold vs. a headlock.
Who hacked meaujeaux's account and posted:
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because i don't think anyone took anyones life.
So much for keeping your position a "mystery" and only wanting to discuss the type of "hold" used.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:28 am to baybeefeetz
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You still get to the same situation. A guy is about to r lawfully arrested. He won't comply. You have to wrestle thr guy to the ground and cuff him. I don't have a problem with squeezing his neck to make him stop wriggling around. This force was proportionate. The guy died, though, and imo it was a fluke that he died , based on the video.
It's so flukey that it happens several times a year. How many deaths from police holds is an acceptable level of death in a year?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:28 am to Coach72
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Don't misunderstand me, this is a tragedy. Nevertheless, a tragedy that could have easily been avoided by not being defiant, respecting authority, and complying with law enforcement. It was the deceased actions that set this entire process in motion.
this nails it. if garner wasn't breaking the law, he wouldn't have been approached by police. if he hadn't resisted, he wouldn't have been in a choke hold. his actions played a big part in his death.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:29 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Dude, I know the policy is bad, but he is out in front of a store undercutting the sales of the store owner. It's fricked up. Go do that shite at home. Post on Craigslist.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:30 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Probably been said already, but the real issue is why are we as a society allowing cops to be used as a revenue generating stream for government? They were only out there because there is law against selling untamed cigarettes, and this activity was so nefarious that someone deemed it necessary to send out 5 cops to arrest the guy, when at worst he should have been cited and fined.
This is a huge part of the issue. We criminalize all sorts of behavior seeking revenue. Then we tell the cops they are the only thing between us and a lawless society. Go get that guy with a busted taillight.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:31 am to baybeefeetz
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Dude, I know the policy is bad, but he is out in front of a store undercutting the sales of the store owner. It's fricked up. Go do that shite at home. Post on Craigslist.
Do you think the store sells loosies?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:31 am to 632627
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this nails it. if garner wasn't breaking the law, he wouldn't have been approached by police. if he hadn't resisted, he wouldn't have been in a choke hold. his actions played a big part in his death.
Sending 5 cops to arrest someone over untaxed cigarettes is what is ridiculous. They should have cited and fined him. He's bein arrested because the cops are being used to generate revenue to such a degree that arresting the guy is deemed the more efficient manner in extracting money from him
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:32 am to mtntiger
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That is correct, but in this case was it a justifiable homicide?
Apparently the GJ thought it was a justifiable or an accidental homicide.
After viewing the video many times, the more I view it the more I agree with the GJ.
Garner was huge. Where else could the policeman grab him to try to pull him to the ground?
Once Garner began to fall back, his weight carried the policeman down with him.
This was not a case of the police deliberately physically abusing him.
This was a case of a smaller cop telling a huge guy that he was under arrest and the small cop was going to handcuff the huge guy then when the huge guy refused to cooperate another cop came up behind the huge guy and grabbed him the only way he could to try to wrestle him to the ground.
How would you have grabbed a huge guy like Garner from behind to try to wrestle him down to the ground?
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 10:35 am
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