re: So Voter ID laws are supposedly racist........

If I don't pay the taxes I can't buy the gun from shitlord. I'm sending him to this thread BTW because he's a shitlord.

Anyway, I pay to exercise my rights under 2A. If I don't do that I can't exercise my rights unless I steal a gun.

By the way, I have to show my ID to buy a gun from shite lord. I paid to get that ID. There's your paper.

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I am arguing for the bottom class to be able to exercise their God given, Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote, without infringement.

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So what do you say to the Hispanic that just crossed the border illegally that steps up to the voting booth without ID?

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You assume I am arguing for the minority. I am not. I am arguing for the bottom class to be able to exercise their God given, Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote, without infringement.

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And I am telling you that there are ALL KINDS of these rights that require you to pay something to avail yourself of them. Your qualifier that reasonable cost is in any way relevant to need/right is a red herring.

Let me ask you this: What if, the NEXT time this person voted, they were issued right then and there a voter ID for free, under the same conditions normally required for voting? It's a one-time only option, but if you can get yourself to the polling place, we will give you the ID required for future elections. This ID will be unique to you, and will contain some sort of biometric (finger print, eye scan, whatever) that can be used in the future to assure that we have one voter and one vote.

Is that too high a hurdle? We accept that the risk that your qualification is suspect (due to no other ID), but we are assured that future elections will only have one vote from you.

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So what do you say to the Hispanic that just crossed the border illegally that steps up to the voting booth without ID?

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I told you, I'm not arguing Minorities, I should have included illegals in with that.

FYI:

A birth certificate is $15 in the state of LA. Not 150.

Is 15 dollars too burdensome?

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I don't have to register a damn thing to get a group of like minded individuals together and protest on a corner, picket a business or walk down the sidewalk while obeying common traffic laws. Permits for a massive assembly are for the purposes of security and logistics. They can't tell you that your group can not assemble.

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From the NYC website dealing with this:

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Do I need a permit?

It depends on what you want to do. If you want to distribute handbills on a public sidewalk or in a public park; have a demonstration, rally or press conference on a public sidewalk; or march on a public sidewalk and you do not intend to use amplified sound, you do not need any permit. If you want to use amplified sound on public property; want to have an event with more than 20 people in a New York City park; or wish to conduct a march in a public street, you will need a permit. You will also need a permit if you want to conduct a procession involving 50 or more vehicles or bicycles in a public street. If you wish to have an event on the steps of City Hall or in the plaza in front of the steps, you need to make special arrangements with the Police Department.

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So, "massive" is not really the qualifier, but I will grant you the premise that smaller scale issues carry lower hurdles. As the scale goes up, so does the requirement.

We will let you vote for school board and city council with no ID. For mayor and state reps, you need a library card. For governor and statewide offices, you need a Blockbuster membership. For the leader of the free world and the most powerful individual on Earth, we really need to know who you are and if you are eligible.

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If you care so much about the bottom class, don't you want them to succeed in America? Don't you want them to drive a car? Or find a job? They can't do those things without an ID.

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Yes I do want them to do all the above things. But I don't live in a fairy world of rainbow unicorn farts and fairy princesses. shite is hard when you are at the bottom, trust me I know. Everyone here seems to argue that it isn't a big deal to take off of work from you job, whether it be front end loader operator, chef, nurse, cubical dweller etc. Yes some professions it is easier to take off to do those things many others it is not. Thank god I busted my arse to get one.
The other point, if it is a single parent trying to keep the lights on and they have to make a choice to pay the light bill or pay to get a copy of his/her Birth certificate, which do you think they are going to do. Or if it is between them taking a day off work and losing 80$ to pay 110$ to get a certificate. That is a loss in their pocketbook. When you are poor you have to do the best you can to get through the "right now" with as much left over as you can.

Lazy frickers are lazy frickers and they proliferate all classes. This aint about them.

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That = a person who has made a lot of stupid choices in her life and shouldn't be voting.

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You are a solid troll sir and I commend you on your level of trolliniess.

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You are a solid troll sir and I commend you on your level of trolliniess.

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Nope. It's called science. If you do 3 simple things in life you cannot live in poverty.

a. Graduate from HS
b. Don't get pregnant until you're married.
c. Don't do drugs.

Heritage Foundation puts your chances of being below the poverty line (having the lights cut off) at less than 1/10th of 1 percent.

I grew up a poorer than you. It's easy to get out of. And I didn't need any welfare to do it.

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The argument is that those other things aren't fundamental rights, and voting is.

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So, it's about their priorities..."I'll get an ID to purchase goods, receive EBT benefits, drive a vehicle, etc. But to vote?? Hell no!!"