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re: So now that Russia is crumbling from within
Posted on 12/17/14 at 12:50 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 12/17/14 at 12:50 pm to Jagd Tiger
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their knowledge pretty much begins and ends with functional dong operation
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 12:59 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:And there it is.
Your post makes no sense
Truth and light.
So let's take it a step at a time.
(1) Russia's economy is dependent on oil exports (Russia benefits from a high price of oil)
(2) Russia's economy has been dependent on oil exports for years
(3) The US economy has been dependent on oil imports for years (USA benefits from a low price of oil)
(4) The US would like to have ways to control Russia, short of threatening nuclear holocaust
(5) The US would like to have ways to bolster its anemic economy.
(6) < Insert complex economic premise >Supply and demand affects price.
(7) Did you follow #6?
(8) By increasing supply of oil in a fixed demand environment, price/barrel declines
(9) By increasing oil production in North America supply is increased.
(10) Oil prices fall in response to #9. Good for the US (see #3). Bad for Russia (see #1).
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:16 pm to buckeye_vol
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Besides the inherently flawed premise of reducing something extremely complicated to a single causal element...
So, basically you're saying that Ronald Reagan didn't win the Cold War?
Blasphemer!
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So, basically you're saying that Ronald Reagan didn't win the Cold War?
I think the popular consensus among the Conservative posters here is that Reagan's defense spending helped speed up the process significantly, not that he caused it. I think the fall was a shock even to Reagan because while everyone suspected Russia's economy was shite, the Iron Curtain was well-guarded enough that no one knew for certain how bad it was.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Will we get a retraction from Fox/Rush/TD.com poli board for their shortsighted and ultimately moronic criticism of Obama's handling of Putin over the past year? Or will you just move on to the next made up fear mongering nonsense instead?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:26 pm to Bard
Reagan was out of office when the Soviet Union fell and was suffering from dementia. No one knows what his reaction was.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:37 pm to NC_Tigah
Putin was in trouble with the money men in Russia. Sochi not only cost Russia billions but also the billionaires Putin leaned on to finance the boondoggle. The economy was flatlining and Putin was feeling pressure. So he did what leaders in trouble have been doing for years and that's "wag the dog". He created international crisis and ginned up popular support at home. Russians like nothing better than seeing their leader kick arse. His poll numbers rose dramatically.
Obama's sanctions went after the money men in Russia. The goal was to weaken his support and hopefully regime change.
What we're seeing today is what Putin was trying to hide and that's that Russia is a paper tiger. Obama is about to sign a bill with more sanctions plus support Ukraine. Obama's goal of regime change will soon be reached. Putin is a gone pecan.
Would this have happened without the oil market's present condition? Possibly. Obama was betting Russian billionaires wielded more power than Putin.
regardless, the billionaires will have Putin's hide shortly and Palin won't have to worry about Putin rearing his bald head across Alaska.
Obama's sanctions went after the money men in Russia. The goal was to weaken his support and hopefully regime change.
What we're seeing today is what Putin was trying to hide and that's that Russia is a paper tiger. Obama is about to sign a bill with more sanctions plus support Ukraine. Obama's goal of regime change will soon be reached. Putin is a gone pecan.
Would this have happened without the oil market's present condition? Possibly. Obama was betting Russian billionaires wielded more power than Putin.
regardless, the billionaires will have Putin's hide shortly and Palin won't have to worry about Putin rearing his bald head across Alaska.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:37 pm to Vegas Bengal
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No one knows what his reaction was.
Correct, I should have said that I believe he may have been shocked.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:38 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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You and your crazy liberal friends voted for this POS president twice.
As usual, you have no idea WTF you are talking about. Back to the corner with you where you can continue your nonsensical ramblings in relative peace.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Look dummy.....anything positive that happens Obama had nothing to do with and happened in spite of him. Anything negative that happens lies 100% at the feet of Czar Ofrickma. You should know this by now man!
Wait was this a rhetorical question?
Wait was this a rhetorical question?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:45 pm to AUbused
Sounds suspiciously like the RANT/Miles relationship.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:45 pm to AUbused
It's interesting that this is really about the left wing, institutional librotards wanting to rewrite history, "Reagan NEVER brought down the USSR, but Obama DID defeat Putin"...
lol, you morons are cute when you think the bs you pedal is even remotely disguised from being the garbage that it is.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:46 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Not really relevant.
Would this have happened without the oil market's present condition? Possibly.
The path to US prosperity and security was and is energy . . . for now energy means oil.
It's coincidently our path to control of Russia.
It's also our path to independence from the Middle East involvement.
It is a path Obama has chosen to ignore.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:57 pm to NC_Tigah
And yet we"re producing more oil than ever before and Republicans filibustered Keystone last spring.
The point is Putin is not this big badass leader the loons here were masterbating to. And Obama is getting the last laugh. He saw him for what he is.
The point is Putin is not this big badass leader the loons here were masterbating to. And Obama is getting the last laugh. He saw him for what he is.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:09 pm to Bard
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I think the popular consensus among the Conservative posters here is that Reagan's defense spending helped speed up the process significantly, not that he caused it. I think the fall was a shock even to Reagan because while everyone suspected Russia's economy was shite, the Iron Curtain was well-guarded enough that no one knew for certain how bad it was.
Yeah, the old measured response.
I guess you don't consider ASURob a part of that consensus.
If you asked the average Republican voter on the street, they would tell you Reagan won the Cold War.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I guess you don't consider ASURob a part of that consensus
Why would anyone consider ASURob as part of a "conservative" consensus?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:44 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Despite Obama, not because of him.
And yet we"re producing more oil than ever before
But you are correct. It is that increased oil production -- despite Obama -- which has Putin over the barrel (pun intended). Has very little to do with sanctions Obama placed post-Crimea.
quote:Disingenuous.
Republicans filibustered Keystone last spring.
quote:Putin bitch-slapped Obama all over the arena. He did it with incredibly limited resources. To wipe the floor using Obama as a mop, required not only deftness on Putin's part, but impotence on Obama's.
The point is Putin is not this big badass leader the loons here were masterbating to.
Put another way. We still do not control this situation. The Saudis/OPEC can rehabilitate Russia's situation overnight. Obama has his hands off the wheel.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:47 pm to BigJim
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Because of the sanctions? Or because Russia has a crappy economy and western business didn't want to get their money trapped in it?
wow you couldnt possibly try any harder to not give Obama any credit. The market plunge and capital flight was a direct result of economic isolation feared by increasing sanctions.
Initial sanctions targeting putins friends were the mild ones. Then it was stepped up over several rounds to include energy, banking, and investment. Thats when the realk damage began.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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We still do not control this situation. The Saudis/OPEC can rehabilitate Russia's situation overnight. Obama has his hands off the wheel.
NCT, did you ever consider the obvious truth that Obama has mastered the situation so thoroughly that he made the Saudis decide to keep production high?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I guess you're not familiar with the crippling sanctions that have destroyed their economy?
Like Charles Krauthammer said last night, Russia is hurting in spite of the obama administration not because of it.
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