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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:11 pm to cahoots
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2. Believe anonymous/unnamed sources
A little hard to get a "more official" source than the fricking president tbh
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:13 pm to Turbeauxdog
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If the Obama administration intercepted inoccuous communications and retained them despite no intelligence value, does it become direct surveillance?
Where did you come from!? Nice
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:13 pm to HailToTheChiz
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was he wiretapped by Obama? in the literal sense, no.
was Trump right all along about being under surveillance? yes
This hasn't played all the way out.
Remember Judge Napolitano said the Brits did it, and provided the info to Obama. So BHO isn't quite off the hook yet. All thats left is the connection from the foreign intel group to ole Barry. Sounds like Trump must have that link
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:14 pm to cahoots
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Believe anonymous/unnamed sources
Nunes says hi.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:14 pm to HailToTheChiz
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was Trump right all along about being under surveillance? yes.
This is incorrect.
Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were not surveilled.
Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were talking to people in foreign countries and foreign agents that were being surveilled.
This is actually a nightmare for Trump. Someone presented probable cause to a judge, and a judge agreed that these people were a threat to the United States...and Trump associates were in contact with them.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:15 pm to DyeHardDylan
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Anyone who took "wiretapping" literally is just plain dumb. I doubt Trump campaign officials were using old fashioned rotary phones with wires.
Only thing I took from Trump's tweet is that he thought Obama ordered it. That has yet to be proven.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:17 pm to Goldrush25
We want to know what the President knew and when he knew it!
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:18 pm to Greatest Success
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This is incorrect.
Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were not surveilled.
Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were talking to people in foreign countries and foreign agents that were being surveilled.
Someone didn't read Nunes press statements
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:18 pm to Greatest Success
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Trump, his campaign team and members of his campaign team were talking to people in foreign countries and foreign agents that were being surveilled
And there was no intelligence value and it wasn't related to Russia.
So retaining those records is illegal surveillance and unmasking their identities is against the law, and Obama wrote an EO to spread this illegal surveillance all over Washington.
This is starting to come together.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:23 pm to rebeloke
If Trump has been under "investigation " since last summer it's a high chance he was tapped. It's not like the Feds will investigate nor put anyone under surveillance without them being eased dropped on.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:23 pm to Turbeauxdog
That's bad. Amirite
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:23 pm to Greatest Success
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Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were talking to people in foreign countries and foreign agents that were being surveilled.
Unrelated to Russia?
Come on man, if you're going to spout the party line make sure it's up to date.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:25 pm to cahoots
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2. Believe anonymous/unnamed sources
Something libs due when they are quote in the NYT.
Something people should do when a reasonable centrist sitting US Congressman quotes them.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:27 pm to Turbeauxdog
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And there was no intelligence value and it wasn't related to Russia.
this is particularly the part we need information on IMO
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:27 pm to Greatest Success
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Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were not surveilled.
Trump, his campaign team and members of his administration were talking to people in foreign countries and foreign agents that were being surveilled.
You cannot perform surveillance on one party to a conversation (unless you hear and see only one side).
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:29 pm to Goldrush25
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Only thing I took from Trump's tweet is that he thought Obama ordered it. That has yet to be proven.
Well you should have taken that the surveillance actually happened.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:29 pm to rebeloke
Did you not listen to Rush? It's called Trumpspeak.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:30 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
And it really doesn't matter if it was intentional or not.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:31 pm to rebeloke
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And it really doesn't matter if it was intentional or not.
Of course it matters.
It may not matter for some particular argument for/against Trump, but it obviously matters in the grand scheme.
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