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So Devos flubs her answer on IDEA, now IDEA website down
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:06 am
But the rest of the the ED.gov website seems to work.
LINK /
Ed.gov
If you're unfamiliar with IDEA here's what it does
I'm sure I don't need to explain why school choice doesn't necessarily solve this problem, but it's worth noting that as the above blurb suggests, this doesn't apply to private school.
For those who recall, Tim Kaine, who held rallies small enough to fit in a mid sized car, tricked her into revealing that she doesn't know much about the law, and tried to explain the basics of how federal law works, and while he may have had a fun moment speaking in front of a double digit crowd, I think he missed something in Devos' answer.
She spoke of letting states manage their responsibilities to kids with IDD themselves.
Here's what that means in Texas.
LINK /
We're at a crossroads for kids with an IDD. I'm not a fan of appointing someone who openly admits to funding congressional races and expecting something in return, but even putting that obvious cronyism aside, her hearings and now the unexplained removal of the IDEA website do not bode well. Welcome to the future.
LINK /
Ed.gov
If you're unfamiliar with IDEA here's what it does
quote:
The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) is a four-part (A-D) piece of American legislation that ensures students with a disability are provided with Free Appropriate Public Education (FAPE) that is tailored to their individual needs.
I'm sure I don't need to explain why school choice doesn't necessarily solve this problem, but it's worth noting that as the above blurb suggests, this doesn't apply to private school.
For those who recall, Tim Kaine, who held rallies small enough to fit in a mid sized car, tricked her into revealing that she doesn't know much about the law, and tried to explain the basics of how federal law works, and while he may have had a fun moment speaking in front of a double digit crowd, I think he missed something in Devos' answer.
She spoke of letting states manage their responsibilities to kids with IDD themselves.
Here's what that means in Texas.
quote:
A CHRONICLE INVESTIGATION
Denied:
How Texas keeps tens of thousands of children out of special education
Story by: Brian M. Rosenthal
Photos by: Marie D. De Jesús
Roanin Walker waits for some sprinklers to shower him during a hot day on the front yard of his family’s Kingwood home in July 2016.
During the first week of school at Shadow Forest Elementary, a frail kindergartner named Roanin Walker had a meltdown at recess. Overwhelmed by the shrieking and giggling, he hid by the swings and then tried to escape the playground, hitting a classmate and biting a teacher before being restrained.
The principal called Roanin's mother.
"There's been an incident."
Heidi Walker was frightened, but as she hurried to the Humble school that day in 2014, she felt strangely relieved.
She had warned school administrators months earlier that her 5-year-old had been diagnosed with a disability similar to autism. Now they would understand, she thought. Surely they would give him the therapy and counseling he needed.
Walker knew the law was on her side. Since 1975, Congress has required public schools in the United States to provide specialized education services to all eligible children with any type of disability.
But what she didn't know is that in Texas, unelected state officials have quietly devised a system that has kept thousands of disabled kids like Roanin out of special education.
A Chronicle Investigation
In Texas, unelected state officials have devised a system that has kept thousands of disabled kids out of special education. Read other installments in the series here.
Explainer: How we know the reason for the drop in Texas special ed students
Over a decade ago, the officials arbitrarily decided what percentage of students should get special education services — 8.5 percent — and since then they have forced school districts to comply by strictly auditing those serving too many kids.
Their efforts, which started in 2004 but have never been publicly announced or explained, have saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars but denied vital supports to children with autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness, a Houston Chronicle investigation has found.
LINK /
We're at a crossroads for kids with an IDD. I'm not a fan of appointing someone who openly admits to funding congressional races and expecting something in return, but even putting that obvious cronyism aside, her hearings and now the unexplained removal of the IDEA website do not bode well. Welcome to the future.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:10 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
She spoke of letting states manage their responsibilities to kids with IDD themselves.
Why should they not?
If the state does a shitty job then the people should elect people that will do better.
The bottom line is that the federal government should not be in the business of controlling education for any group of people....protected or otherwise.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:12 am to Mephistopheles
I hope the DoE is completely abolished, not just one part of a website.
I am disappoint.
I am disappoint.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:13 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
Tim Kaine, who held rallies small enough to fit in a mid sized car, tricked her into revealing that she doesn't know much about the law
It's amazing how many LAWMAKERS don't know about the laws they write or pass
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:13 am to Mephistopheles
Is this the same legislation that allowed a couple of classmates of mine to take a whole day to finish Engineering Exams, yet still graduate with the same degree? If so, good fricking riddance.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:16 am to LSU316
quote:
Why should they not?
They likely were at one time, but like many things the Fed has taken control over, so many states were doing such a shitty job and discriminating in it, they had it taken away from them.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:17 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
But what she didn't know is that in Texas, unelected state officials have quietly devised a system that has kept thousands of disabled kids like Roanin out of special education.
A Chronicle Investigation
In Texas, unelected state officials have devised a system that has kept thousands of disabled kids out of special education. Read other installments in the series here.
Explainer: How we know the reason for the drop in Texas special ed students
Over a decade ago, the officials arbitrarily decided what percentage of students should get special education services — 8.5 percent — and since then they have forced school districts to comply by strictly auditing those serving too many kids.
Their efforts, which started in 2004 but have never been publicly announced or explained, have saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars but denied vital supports to children with autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness, a Houston Chronicle investigation has found.
My current trolling aside, (EDIT) the author of that article has no idea what IDEA is supposed to do, or the whole idea behind FAPE.
The whole premise of FAPE is to minimize children's time and the number of children in Special ed. It was considered discriminatory to hold kids in SE because evidence showed that for many students, the less time they spent in SE, the better they performed. They rose to meet the standards (mostly) that they were held to in general ed classrooms.
Texas took a hammer to the problem and put a ceiling to the number of kids that districts could shunt off the special ed classrooms, in an effort to push the borderline kids to general ed classrooms. Data backs them up.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:18 am to Mephistopheles
quote:Funny how this is a side note.
Their efforts, which started in 2004 but have never been publicly announced or explained, have saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:22 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
this doesn't apply to private school.
This is incorrect. The public funds also have to service special needs children at private schools.
quote:
openly admits to funding congressional races and expecting something in return
Link?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:23 am to cokebottleag
From the DoE on FAPE (Free, appropriate, public education), specifically appropriate:
EDIT: LINK
quote:
Students with disabilities and students without disabilities must be placed in the same setting, to the maximum extent appropriate to the education needs of the students with disabilities. A recipient of ED funds must place a person with a disability in the regular education environment, unless it is demonstrated by the recipient that the student’s needs cannot be met satisfactorily with the use of supplementary aids and services. Students with disabilities must participate with nondisabled students in both academic and nonacademic services, including meals, recess, and physical education, to the maximum extent appropriate to their individual needs.
As necessary, specific related aids and services must be provided for students with disabilities to ensure an appropriate education setting. Supplementary aids may include interpreters for students who are deaf, readers for students who are blind, and door-to-door transportation for students with mobility impairments.
A recipient of ED funds that places an individual with disabilities in another school is responsible for taking into account the proximity of the other school to the student’s home. If a recipient operates a facility for persons with disabilities, the facility and associated activities must be comparable to other facilities, services, and activities of the recipient.
EDIT: LINK
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:24 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
Is this the same legislation that allowed a couple of classmates of mine to take a whole day to finish Engineering Exams, yet still graduate with the same degree? If so, good fricking riddance.
Yep this stuff is nonsense. No one gives them extra time in the workplace. I have ADD, and could have even gotten extended time on the CPA exam, but I never once asked for that nonsense because I knew that getting extra time to complete your work was a pipe dream only afforded in a classroom setting.
ETA: Things like this are a disservice to the person with "special needs" by giving them an unrealistic view of the workplace.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:27 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness
I bet the vast majority of cases are the first two, and we should not be accommodating people for that bullshite.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:27 am to Mephistopheles
quote:Yes.
saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars
quote:Nope. This issue has been beat to death in TX. What got cut was overpayment to unqualified "therapists", fraudulent billing, and false diagnoses to collect a paycheck.
but denied vital supports to children with autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness,
quote:The Comical's crack research staff couldn't find a pot hole in Houston.
a Houston Chronicle investigation has found.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:31 am to LSU316
The America with Disabilities Act, countless court cases, and the Individual with Disabilities Education Act says otherwise.
In your example, a state does a shitty job. A child is not given a free and appropriate education and falls through the cracks for four years before something is fixed. That is not fixing the system.
Everyone agrees that checks and balances are a good thing e.g. our three branches of government. The Justice Department and the Department of Education should be acting as a check to ensure that the states are providing students with a free and appropriate education. Historically speaking, states will provide the minimum required, and for our most vulnerable segment of children, the minimum is not good enough.
In your example, a state does a shitty job. A child is not given a free and appropriate education and falls through the cracks for four years before something is fixed. That is not fixing the system.
Everyone agrees that checks and balances are a good thing e.g. our three branches of government. The Justice Department and the Department of Education should be acting as a check to ensure that the states are providing students with a free and appropriate education. Historically speaking, states will provide the minimum required, and for our most vulnerable segment of children, the minimum is not good enough.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:33 am to uway
Autism is bullshite? Nice troll dumbass.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:34 am to Wtodd
quote:
It's amazing how many LAWMAKERS don't know about the laws they write or pass
As long as their job is to pass them, someone else gets to find out what's in them.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:35 am to uway
quote:Well you would be wrong.
I bet the vast majority of cases are the first two
quote:What? I hope you're not implying autism isn't a real disorder and disability.
and we should not be accommodating people for that bull shite.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:36 am to Mephistopheles
quote:
Their efforts, which started in 2004 but have never been publicly announced or explained, have saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars but denied vital supports to children with autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness, a Houston Chronicle investigation has found.
Is this article implying that all handicapped individuals need to receive "special education" aka inferior education?
I have Muscular Dystrophy and when I was in elementary school I remember being pulled out of class, frequently, to have my mental acuity tested. My public school thought that I belongedin a special ed class because I was physically disabled. Nevermind, that I received straight As and would finish my assignments before the teacher finished going over the examples, or explaining the instructions (because I knew how to read). Thankfully, my mother raised holy hell and refused to let them remove me from my regular classes and stick me in with the special ed students. The very idea that just because someone is handicapped that they need "special services" or to be treated with kid gloves is a joke.
I'm all for tailoring teaching styles and education to how a child learns best but lets do that for every student by placing them with teachers who teach in the manner that they learn best from not by arbitrarily deciding that handicapped individuals need "special" education.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:37 am to MFn GIMP
quote:If it is, that would he incorrect. A person can have a disability, and not need services.
Is this article implying that all handicapped individuals need to receive "special education" aka inferior education?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:37 am to uway
quote:
I bet the vast majority of cases are the first two, and we should not be accommodating people for that bullshite.
Are you a fricking idiot?
Did you know Gifted and Talented is also covered by IDEA?
20:1 you didn't
Anyone want to go to this IEP while I am waiting?
Stop trying to be an internet badass let teachers do their jobs, doctors do theirs, and shut the frick up.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 9:39 am
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