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re: So Asians make more money on average than whites in the US
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:29 am to genro
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:29 am to genro
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No, it casts a bad light on anyone who blames black struggles in 2014 on white privilege.
"It's not about black people, it's about how black people aren't white people's fault."
Also, you don't understand what white privilege is.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:36 am to Tigah in the ATL
You're a complete joke, ATL. .No matter what the particular issue is, you almost alays make some superficial comment which disparages white people, and act like you've actually added something of substance to the discussion.
You said one time that you aren't black, so what is your deal? Why are you afraid to tell us why you have that huge chip on your shoulder?
You said one time that you aren't black, so what is your deal? Why are you afraid to tell us why you have that huge chip on your shoulder?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:42 am to Tigah in the ATL
These folks are so close-minded that they can't see how the circumstances under which you came to this country have a lot to do with your socio-economic status, which explains why African immigrants and their children are also well above that national average in income, college degrees and advanced degrees. The same is also true for South American immigrants. If it was just a Black thing, there would be no difference between the descendants of slaves and African immigrants, but it's not a Black or Asian thing, it's an immigrant thing.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:50 am to trackfan
quote:2, 3, 4, 5 generations out?
If it was just a Black thing, there would be no difference between the descendants of slaves and Black immigrants, but it's not a Black or Asian thing, it's an immigrant thing.
What is the socioeconomic basis for that conclusion?
Because in my estimation, it is neither an "immigrant thing" nor a "Black or Asian thing." It is a desire and motivation thing. It is family expectation placed on progeny to do better than the previous generation.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:54 am to NC_Tigah
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Because in my estimation, it is neither an "immigrant thing" nor a "Black or Asian thing." It is a desire and motivation thing. It is family expectation placed on progeny to do better than the previous generation.
The determination to immigrate from another continent, as opposed to Mexico, is a good measure of desire and motivation, don't you think?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:55 am to doubleb
What is most interesting to me is that no one even requested a link because everyone knows its true.
No one has any problem admitting asians are smarter and have a better work ethic than whites but if we start substituting others in that observation, the race card will come out.
Why is that?
No one has any problem admitting asians are smarter and have a better work ethic than whites but if we start substituting others in that observation, the race card will come out.
Why is that?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:56 am to trackfan
More than anything else, it's about choices. As a group, Asians work harder, place the most value on education, and place more emphasis on self-responsibility and self-control than any other group.
For example, I'm positive that the rate of teenage pregnancy in the Asian community is much, much lower than it is in the black community. 14 year-old Asian girls aren't getting pregnant and jeopardizing their educational opportunities.
More than anything else, it's about lifestyle choices. Some people want to sweep this inconvenient truth under the rug, so they talk about totally irrelevant "issues" like "white privilege." Obviously, "white privilege" hasn't kept Asians from achieving at a high level. That doesn't fit the narrative, which makes some people very uncomfortable.
For example, I'm positive that the rate of teenage pregnancy in the Asian community is much, much lower than it is in the black community. 14 year-old Asian girls aren't getting pregnant and jeopardizing their educational opportunities.
More than anything else, it's about lifestyle choices. Some people want to sweep this inconvenient truth under the rug, so they talk about totally irrelevant "issues" like "white privilege." Obviously, "white privilege" hasn't kept Asians from achieving at a high level. That doesn't fit the narrative, which makes some people very uncomfortable.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:57 am to trackfan
quote:100%. Yes.
The determination to immigrate from another continent, as opposed to Mexico, is a good measure of desire and motivation, don't you think?
Now then, back to the dilemma of disproportionate racial indigency basis.
Causation?
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 8:59 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:59 am to UncleFestersLegs
moreso, a willingness to believe that it is plausible...if you posted the OP with blacks in place of Asians it would be a lol fest...there's a difference in the perception of cultural values and the results they produce...also there are way more black people than Asian people. I imagine most on this board have the experience of seeing ghettos chocked full of baby mama drama, and the occasional spotting of a non student Asian is usually associated with a clean/nice car...clean/nice home, etc.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:01 am to trackfan
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These folks are so close-minded that they can't see how the circumstances under which you came to this country have a lot to do with your socio-economic status
are you claiming that the "immigration method" developed a culture of these people that leads to issues that hurt socio-economic status?
and for the record, asians weren't exactly treated well. hell "yellow face" was still accepted decades after black face
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:08 am to DelU249
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if you posted the OP with blacks in place of Asians it would be a lol fest...
That's because for self-evident historical reasons, the racial/ethnic/religious fault line in this country will always be Black vs White. In other parts of the world, the major fault line is religious or ethnic, but in the U.S., just like South Africa, it will always primarily be Black vs White. Blame it on your forefathers who wrote that "all men are created equal", for not practicing what they preached.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:10 am to trackfan
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That's because for self-evident historical reasons, the racial/ethnic/religious fault line in this country will always be Black vs White.
always? why?
latinos are a larger demo (or will be shortly). it's not like there isn't strong historical basis with that ethnicity/race
hell, we've gone to war with them and had direct conflict, unlike african nations
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Blame it on your forefathers who wrote that "all men are created equal", for not practicing what they preached.
any group who complains about irrelevant acts that occurred 250 years ago that don't apply today is a weak group, mentally
those are irrational arguments that have no merit, regardless of whichever group is making the argument
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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and for the record, asians weren't exactly treated well. hell "yellow face" was still accepted decades after black face
Do you really compare what Asians, Irish and Italians experienced to the systematic state-sanctioned discrimination and oppression that Blacks experienced for centuries? If you want to compare apples to apples, instead of apples to oranges, compare Asians, most of whom have only been here for a generation or two, to African and South American immigrants.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:25 am to trackfan
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Do you really compare what Asians, Irish and Italians experienced to the systematic state-sanctioned discrimination and oppression that Blacks experienced for centuries?
slavery was different (although asians were often conscripted into de facto slavery)
but that was 150 years ago. it's no excuse today
and if we're talking about state-sanctioned discrimination like Jim Crow: yes. they all experienced that
go look up the history of californian jim crow laws. typically based in asian distinctions and not black/white
California Alien Land Law
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The Alien Land Laws were invalidated in 1952 by the Supreme Court of California as a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution in Sei Fujii v. California.
19 fricking 52
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
let's not forget Japanese people who were put into internment camps and had their property and assets seized...but hey, slavery.
also, I think it would be difficult for me to not acknowledge the circumstances that motivated immigrants to come here in the first place...but, um, slavery
also, I think it would be difficult for me to not acknowledge the circumstances that motivated immigrants to come here in the first place...but, um, slavery
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:58 am to doubleb
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Interesting, they make more, they graduate HS more and they live in fewer single families. If it's a society geared for the whites, how can the Asians do so well?
Because their society as a whole values hard work. That's it.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:02 am to TT9
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They're smarter.
Kinda, but not really. They care more about education and have built in advantages with their numerical system. That combined with their culture's work ethic. Northern China has a saying - "No one who can rise before dawn 360 days a year fails to make his family rich."
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 10:03 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:05 am to trackfan
quote:Yup.
It's about culture and value system.
quote:Yup.
FYI, African immigrants are also above the national average in income, college degrees and advanced degrees.
It has nothing to do with skin color.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:23 am to trackfan
quote:Under no circumstances is there an equivalence.
Do you really compare what Asians, Irish and Italians experienced to the systematic state-sanctioned discrimination and oppression that Blacks experienced for centuries?
None!
But tf, there must be a way out for multigenerational impoverished Americans. There must be a solution better than more of the same, because "more of the same" is not working. Blaming others and seeking deeper dependency is not a solution. Fatherless households is not a solution. Homicide rates at 400% of the national average (suffered in the vast majority at the hands of other Blacks) is not the solution. Locking impoverished communities into terrible schools is not the solution. Northerners' urban habits of gentrification are not the solution.
Claiming there will never be a post-racial mindset in this country (when in fact that is the current mindset of a vast number of Americans) is not the solution. It is not now, nor will it ever be. Though some may think it advantageous somehow, it's a loser's gambit.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:33 am to trackfan
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Do you really compare what Asians, Irish and Italians experienced to the systematic state-sanctioned discrimination and oppression that Blacks experienced for centuries?
Dude this is the poliboard. Many people on here truly believe Asians, Irish, etc had it just as bad (maybe even worse) than blacks throughout the history of America.
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