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re: SNAP: $15B spent on junk food
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:34 am to beerJeep
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:34 am to beerJeep
That's all great and everything... and we can sit near and scream in an echo chamber as much as are heart allows up to, but not a single bit of any of that is even close to being realistically possible.... I mean but keep on keeping on, fight that good fight bro
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Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:36 am to SuperSaint
I know. Itll never happen. Because personal responsibility is hard. Making the right life choices are hard. Not having kids you can't afford is super duper hard.
It's a sad day when these pathetic losers out breed functioning and productive members of society.
It's a sad day when these pathetic losers out breed functioning and productive members of society.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:59 am to NoSaint
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But I don't think you can deny that there's some element of our society equating poor to morally deficient. It's built in to so many of the assumptions made about that person standing in line next to you when you start judging their purchases with absolutely no context and then projecting that onto huge numbers of others using the program.
There's no projection here. There is the undisputable fact that $15 billion dollars of other peoples tax dollars was spent on empty calories that contribute to a terrible epidemic of obesity and diabetes. This is not okay.
I have no problem with kids having a good time, but it shouldn't come from a social safety net program whose sole purpose is to prevent those in poverty from going hungry.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:10 pm to beerJeep
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It's a sad day when these pathetic losers out breed functioning and productive members of society.
We subsidize the losers and tax the productive.
ETA Go ahead and downvote. Only the very wealthy or the government subsidized can afford 8-10 children.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:18 pm to NoSaint
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There's got to be some sort of minor allowance to let people feel like humans, no?
They should earn it themselves for a double-dose of feeling human.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:24 pm to Evolved Simian
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There's no projection here. There is the undisputable fact that $15 billion dollars of other peoples tax dollars was spent on empty calories that contribute to a terrible epidemic of obesity and diabetes. This is not okay.
I have no problem with kids having a good time, but it shouldn't come from a social safety net program whose sole purpose is to prevent those in poverty from going hungry.
I get that it's not a perfect system, and have called out a few times that it's not the point I'm arguing...
but I do think that a lot of people get real damn carried away from seeing a single person or hearing an anecdotal story and project a whole lot of feelings.
Do you really genuinely care if two kids living in poverty got to tailgate at a ragin Cajun football game with a case of coke, some chips and dip, and a couple cup cakes, to use the example here? And is it really turning you inside out if she used her purchase card for that and cash for dinner a different night instead of flipping the purchases around?
What tax rate grants you the right to buy a soda?
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:28 pm to NoSaint
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What tax rate grants you the right to buy a soda?
What tax rate obligates me to pay for your soda?
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:31 pm to shinerfan
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What tax rate obligates me to pay for your soda?
So if you get any government help, your diet and entertainment choices are fully dictated? At what level do you flip that switch?
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:37 pm to NoSaint
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but I do think that a lot of people get real damn carried away from seeing a single person or hearing an anecdotal story and project a whole lot of feelings.
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For SNAP shoppers, “sweetened beverages,” “prepared desserts,” “salty snacks,” “candy,” and “sugar” accounted for 22.6 percent of purchases. These junk food items thus accounted for $15 billion of SNAP purchases in 2016, if the study is representative of all SNAP purchases.
That's not anecdotal, chief. That's fact. Why are libs constantly confused by this?
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:38 pm to NoSaint
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So if you get any government help, your diet and entertainment choices are fully dictated? At what level do you flip that switch?
Self-sufficiency.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:44 pm to NoSaint
At whatever level you need assistance. Don't like it, get a job.
But the anger is misplaced. SNAP isn't untouchable because either party gives a shite about poor people, its untouchable because CocaCola and WalMart spend a fortune to make it so.
But the anger is misplaced. SNAP isn't untouchable because either party gives a shite about poor people, its untouchable because CocaCola and WalMart spend a fortune to make it so.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:54 pm to shinerfan
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whatever level you need assistance. Don't like it, get a job.
So if you file for any welfare, unemployment, food stamps, any housing or healthcare subsidies you are banned from anything with sugar, or entertainment spending?
I'm curious to hash out who should be allowed to purchase a soda by your standards
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:59 pm to shinerfan
I am a supermarket mgr. and I see the abuse and corruption. One guy came in celebrating that he just got his first EBT/Food Stamps. He got the normal $350.00. He bought $325.00 worth of candy, ice cream, cookies, pies, cakes, Deli food, pastries, donuts, and frozen sweets. He bought no meats, vegetables, produce. I see Diabetes coming for him. Many sell food to other people for 50% on the dollar to go back in for cigarettes and beer. Many return packages of [their] damaged meat to favorable cashiers for cash for cigarettes and beer.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:00 pm to NoSaint
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I'm curious to hash out who should be allowed to purchase a soda by your standards
Anyone can purchase a soda, no one in this thread has argued differently. Having it purchased for you is another matter. Does your straw man hold you close at night? Perhaps he'll buy you a coke some time.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:02 pm to NoSaint
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So if you file for any welfare, unemployment, food stamps, any housing or healthcare subsidies you are banned from anything with sugar, or entertainment spending?
No. Spend your own damn money on that shite.
Foodstamps should go to bare necessities that are generic brand. Flour. Eggs. Veggies.
Anything processed or pre-made should be banned from foodstamps. Any drinks outside of milk should be banned.
Base level ingredients only. Learn to cook or starve. Or get a job and buy the food you want.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:04 pm to NoSaint
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So if you file for any welfare, unemployment, food stamps, any housing or healthcare subsidies you are banned from anything with sugar, or entertainment spending?
I'm curious to hash out who should be allowed to purchase a soda by your standards
Do you not see the difference between buying a coke with food stamps and buying a coke with your own money?
Simply don't allow soda purchases with food stamps. If they want a coke they can buy it with their own money.
It's not that difficult to understand.
Eta: food stamps were created to keep people from going hungry, Not to allow them to indulge.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:08 pm to Quidam65
You people criticize ebt but it really is a good program that benefits children mostly. You oughta see the smiles on my kids faces when I whip out the la purchase and say we're going to Tony's for boiled crawfish. They can't load up in the escalade fast enough!
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:09 pm to rintintin
quote:they will just sell the commodities for cash then use the cash to buy Swisher Sweets
Simply don't allow soda purchases with food stamps. If they want a coke they can buy it with their own money.
It's not that difficult to understand.
Eta: food stamps were created to keep people from going hungry, Not to allow them to indulge.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:12 pm to NoSaint
quote:i think spending money on crap and junk versus taking better care of your family and children makes you morally deficient.
I don't think you can deny that there's some element of our society equating poor to morally deficient. It's built in to so many of the assumptions made about that person standing in line next to you when you start judging their purchases with absolutely no context and then projecting that onto huge numbers of others using the program.
Only a morally deficient person would take a handout such as this and utilize it for entertainment.
People get mad at the bum that takes your handout and buys booze, but the same ones don't mind the abuse if it is on a govt card.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:20 pm to Quidam65
What did they think was going to happen? You can spend that thing on damn near anything
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