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re: Serious Question About the St Louis Outrage
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:56 am to trackfan
Posted on 8/12/14 at 7:56 am to trackfan
Is it not OK to bash a group of people for the type of behavior we are seeing in Ferguson?
Is my "white guilt" supposed to have me wringing my hands and feel sorry for them that they feel like they have no other recourse other than to loot?
Not happening.
It is what it is. It is destructive, nonsensical lawlessness perpetrated by despicable human beings that are doing nothing but hurting their own cause. That is, those that actually have a cause, and not the opportunistic thieves.
Their looting only serves the purpose of alienating those that would otherwise share their outrage. The police state is a serious concern for a lot of Americans, but we don't get the opportunity to join them in their outrage because their looting and rioting. It makes rational people say "screw those idiots."
Is my "white guilt" supposed to have me wringing my hands and feel sorry for them that they feel like they have no other recourse other than to loot?
Not happening.
It is what it is. It is destructive, nonsensical lawlessness perpetrated by despicable human beings that are doing nothing but hurting their own cause. That is, those that actually have a cause, and not the opportunistic thieves.
Their looting only serves the purpose of alienating those that would otherwise share their outrage. The police state is a serious concern for a lot of Americans, but we don't get the opportunity to join them in their outrage because their looting and rioting. It makes rational people say "screw those idiots."
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:00 am to mmcgrath
quote:his point is more unarmed, innocent children are killed in drive by shootings in the ghetto than by police. He is only asking why the outrage now, why not when truly innocent children are shot and killed by a thug.
You seriously don't understand the outrage over an unarmed kid getting killed by a police officer?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:02 am to onmymedicalgrind
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No we don't. Just like the white community doesn't need a leader, Asian community, Hispanic community etc
I completely agree with this, but let's not pretend the black community isn't so homogenous. 95% vote for the same candidate
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:04 am to BIGDAB
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I've never heard another black person refer to AL Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as leader.
This.
We know who they are, but they DAMN sure don't speak for all black people. Perish the thought.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 8:06 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:05 am to DelU249
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let's not pretend the black community isn't so homogenous. 95% vote for the same candidate
This is not cogent.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:07 am to dante
there should be outrage...however, I'm not understanding how it is racial? It should be at our LEOs. They aren't held to a proper standard, and are protected for things we would do some serious fricking time for
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:14 am to 4LSU2
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Where's the outrage over the daily black on black violent crimes in America?
Why single out black on black crimes? Did you know that 86% of white murder victims were killed by whites? Where is the outrage over white on white crimes?
This is simply deflection. Crime is crime and the only demographic it impacts more disproportionately is the poor and downtrodden.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:15 am to The Spleen
Have an upvote.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:16 am to The Spleen
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Where's the outrage over the daily black on black violent crimes in America?
btw, this isn't really relevant here. I am always more outraged when people die at the hands of the police...and a shitload of people die everyday
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:16 am to 4LSU2
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Where's the outrage over the daily black on black violent crimes in America?
Why is this difficult for white people to understand?
Minority groups band together. It has always been that way and always will be.
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If they put this much effort into addressing their own problems by removing the racial element out of the equation, the country would be much better off.
yada yada yada
Black people think the country is well enough off for white people already.
Look, I'm anti-Jesse jackson and his ilk, and I believe our country is seriously weakened by this racial strife, but it's ridiculous to pretend that we don't understand how the black community could be the way they are.
And do YOU trust cops? If they came in your neighborhood and killed a young man when they could easily have not killed him, would you be cool with that? What if, at least in your mind, that sort of thing had been happening fairly regularly for as long as anyone could remember?
Cops have given "ghettos" plenty of reason to mistrust them, just like the cops have plenty of reason to distrust the ghetto.
There are no easy solutions, but certainly the solution isn't to act like things will get better by us preaching personal responsibility and acting like we don't understand.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:17 am to trackfan
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Why is it that whenever someone on this board starts a thread with phrases like "serious question", what follows is not serious, but rather a sounding board for Angry White Guys to bash some minority group?
because it typically happens when white people are being put on blast, typically for shite they have nothing to do with
like trayvon martin (white people didn't do that)
in this case, the officer may be black. if true, then white people didn't do this, either. even if it was a white officer, it's not like the white people on this board did anything or deserve to sit through all the media bullshite going on now.
why do you think there won't be a backlash to the bullshite?
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 8:18 am
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:21 am to uway
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Why is this difficult for white people to understand?
because it seems to many that the value isn't on the life lost, but who took it. However, in this situation...it is an outrage
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Minority groups band together.
to their detriment more often than not, the jews are an exception and I would argue they venture out much further and that their "banding together" is more rooted in family.
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It has always been that way and always will be.
not very progressive.
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Black people think the country is well enough off for white people already
there it is...white people don't generally think in terms of "white people". Typically, everyone looks after themselves and family...hive mind doesn't exist. Are you saying black people think collectively? Because that's not a good thing.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
you run in texas and you'll have my vote.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:22 am to 4LSU2
"Where there is no vision, my people die" (Biblical). You've got a whole sub-culture of people who can't cut it in a system wherein one's ability to enjoy the kind of affluence we daily witness on the consumerist media, is measured by what they can personally bring to the value table. Which is not much. That scenario breeds envy, contempt and desperation. Throw in some Obama/Wright/Sharpton racial scapegoating/blame mongering...and over the abyss we go.
Black folk have a stronger genetic inclination toward tribalism; check out the home Continent where there are few to no Whites. Not that Whites don't, just to a lesser degree; as they employ more cunning and sophisticated ways to do what ALL people do. Get what they want, they best way they can.
Earth 2014. 'Tilling the soil'.
Black folk have a stronger genetic inclination toward tribalism; check out the home Continent where there are few to no Whites. Not that Whites don't, just to a lesser degree; as they employ more cunning and sophisticated ways to do what ALL people do. Get what they want, they best way they can.
Earth 2014. 'Tilling the soil'.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:24 am to 4LSU2
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Where's the outrage over the daily black on black violent crimes in America?
White people are too scared to be outraged by it. Don't want to be called racist.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:28 am to DelU249
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white people don't generally think in terms of "white people". Typically, everyone looks after themselves and family...hive mind doesn't exist
When did this phenomenon begin? It doesn't take a hard look at history to see that white people have looked out for white people when it comes to issues of economics, education, and justice.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:30 am to DelU249
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because it seems to many that the value isn't on the life lost, but who took it.
EXACTLY. And it makes perfect sense.
It's a totally separate question than "why do our young men kill each other and how can we stop it?" I'm sure the vast majority of black people who would love for the b-o-b violence to decrease, but wish in one hand....
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to their detriment more often than not, the jews are an exception and I would argue they venture out much further and that their "banding together" is more rooted in family.
That's easy to say when you're in the majority. I can guaran-damn-tee you that if whites become a minority in this country, tribalism will quickly be back in vogue.
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Are you saying black people think collectively? Because that's not a good thing.
No I'm not saying that. I'm saying they band together because that's what minority peoples do. That's what any group does when it feels threatened, and blacks have felt threatened from day one.
You can deny it all you want, but it's time to live in the real world.
Some very cynical progressives have been doing that for 100 years and kicking our freedom-loving asses up and down the court while they destroy the country.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:31 am to BIGDAB
I didn't say it doesn't exist...in fact, it is a very irish/catholic trait...I don't live in the 19th century though.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:33 am to DelU249
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I don't live in the 19th century though.
I was referring to housing discrimination, school segregation, and unfair trials. Those examples took place in the 20th century.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not like the white people on this board did anything or deserve to sit through all the media bull shite going on now.
(due to my general historical ignorance (shared by most people, I might add in my defense), the dates below will be general and probably inaccurate)
From their perspective, what we've done is enjoy the spoils of a system that oppresses them (1750-1965) and then resisted the undoing of that system (1955-1965) and then resisted the people who purported to be helping them (1965-present)(though I believe liberals have not ultimately helped but instead thoroughly harmed the fabric of those communities).
And still the vast majority of us talk about personal responsibility and how people "should" act and continue to ignore the reality of the situation. We brought black people here, we enslaved them, we treated them as second class citizens until fairly recently. I know there is another side to that story, but we focus on what they are doing wrong and ignore what our people did wrong while not actually proposing any coherent solutions to the very real problems.
Now you get to think "what's this 'our people' stuff? I didn't do anything to anyone."
And I say you are not living in the real world and cannot be part of any solution that will actually work. You might as well just admit that you don't care what happens to the country if your solution to the racial problem is to whine about how it shouldn't exist.
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