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re: Senator Paul to Speak at Berkley

Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:44 pm to
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His normal reply "that's just the made up bull shite hippie scientists use so they can justify getting high"


Jesus, that's ignorant as hell and why does he care if someone else is getting high by themselves? Sorry to hear that he's stuck that way.

Does he know you support legalization? Was he disappointed?
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:50 pm to
Weed is legal in Pakistan, how fukked up is that?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90879 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:53 pm to
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Does he know you support legalization?


Yes, I used an angle pointing out the hypocrisy of being conservative and wanting Gov't regulation for someone's private choice. I said as long as private business can still drug test then what harm is it? People do it anyways, might as well end the WOD and diminish the Cartel influence near the border too.

He had no choice but to agree that those are good points. It just made him mad that I was right but he isn't disappointed...he would only be disappointed if I actually smoked it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:55 pm to
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And your stance on legalization is?


All for it.
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6315 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:56 pm to
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Weed is legal in Pakistan, how fukked up is that?


But if a cleric catches you it's a caning at minimum
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33266 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:56 pm to
I wonder how many people in prison for pot would rather the caning.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119029 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:57 pm to
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You could smoke a pound of industrial hemp and all you'd get is a headache.

Recreational cannabis use didn't start in the U.S. until the 1870's, when Turkish hashish was introduced. It has a longer history as an ingredient in medical tinctures, but I'm not sure how the exact timeframe.


Interesting.

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ETA: Even my 90 year-old grandfather thinks that legalized cannabis is okay. He always said he didn't give a 'flying rat frick' what somebody did in their own free time as long as it didn't hurt his pocketbook.



No one in my family (and it's a kind of big family) really cares. I'm definitely okay with it being legal but if it remains illegal I'm not going to lose sleep over the issue. Although I do think it's bull shite for people spending time in jail for a second or third offense for simple possession. Jailing people for pot is a total waste of time and resources.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 9:59 pm to
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Weed is legal in Pakistan, how fukked up is that?


North Korea too.

It's "illegal" in a lot of places, due to U.S. influence on world drug policy, but only in name. This, of course, is also true with other laws.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50759 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:09 pm to
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Although I do think it's bull shite for people spending time in jail for a second or third offense for simple possession. Jailing people for pot is a total waste of time and resources.


I kinda feel like this. At most it should be a fine. I'd prefer it be completely legal though.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18318 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:39 pm to
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After his visit to this liberal stronghold, where he's speaking to students about the NSA and privacy, the Kentucky senator will make stops at the National Urban League in July and at the NAACP in the coming months, if an informal invitation from the group is made official. He's also plotting a trip to Chicago and Milwaukee, Paul said in an interview this week, where he plans to speak about education and "school choice."


From national journal


Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 10:52 pm to
I'm really starting to like this Paul guy alot.
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:07 pm to
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:11 pm to
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I wonder how many people in prison for pot would rather the caning.


I'll take temporary pain over my freedom being taken away. I found in jail that some folks are just institutionalized, and feel more at home in prison than on the street. I'd take a caning every day for a week over spending 2 days in jail.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119029 posts
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:25 pm to
Paul has gone and will go where no GOPer has gone before.
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:02 am to
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Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:39 am to
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Paul has gone and will go where no GOPer has gone before.

What I like about Paul is that he's doing the exact opposite of what some other folks in his party are doing. Instead of addressing the GOP's demography problem by cooking up schemes to make it harder for Blacks, Hispanics and young folks to vote, Paul is actively going after the votes of Blacks, Hispanics and young folks. Don't be surprised if he brings the house down when he speaks at the NAACP convention.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:47 am to
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He should toe the "states rights" line on pot. Don't want to lose the conservative base pandering to the pot-smoking hippies of Berkley.
He's not pandering.

Political definition of pandering:

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In pandering, the views one is verbally expressing are merely for the purpose of drawing support up to and including votes and do not necessarily reflect one's personal values.
When politicians pander, they don't truly believe what they say.

What Paul did today is not pandering. This is pandering:

LINK
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:13 am to
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What I like about Paul is that he's doing the exact opposite of what some other folks in his party are doing. Instead of addressing the GOP's demography problem by cooking up schemes to make it harder for Blacks, Hispanics and young folks to vote, Paul is actively going after the votes of Blacks, Hispanics and young folks. Don't be surprised if he brings the house down when he speaks at the NAACP convention.


I just watched his speech and believe the biggest asset he has is that he actually believes in what he is doing. Rand obviously can't bring ever the entire party to him but he can individually rebrand the party through himself if that makes sense? Even people that agree with him won't be able to pull off the type of grassroots movement that he can. In other words, Rand has to go at this alone because it won't be credible if others in the party follow suit. He is taking some risks but minimizing the risk by focusing the issues on things that have popular cross over appeal.

Some might characterize Rand Paul as a civil rights leader and champion. Others may look back on the Maddow Interview and challenge his understanding of the 60's civil rights struggle. McConnell had to help bail Rand out of his statements but that's one of the things he has to watch out for. His libertarian thinking provokes a questioning of governments role in everything which is fine but he has to pick those areas very carefully. There is no doubt that Rand has learned from his mistake while gaining more and more political capital by his filibuster on drone spying etc..

Rand has to consolidate the Evangelicals, Libertarians and Tea a Party in order to make it as one of the final two contending candidates in the GOP primary. I have a feeling the Establishment has people inside of it that are ashamed about Iraq and our foreign policy during the Bush years. Yes 2016 will be a fight about tax plans and all the social issues like years past but the war for the party is over Iraq. The battle line will be clear. It's those who believe it was a mistake and are ashamed vs those who will double down and refuse to back away from the police state/world.

This is why Cruz began throwing the jabs at Paul after CPAC. The only problem is that the establishment hates him more than Rand.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 1:15 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50759 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:19 am to
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Instead of addressing the GOP's demography problem by cooking up schemes to make it harder for Blacks, Hispanics and young folks to vote


No one is doing this.
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:26 am to
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No one is doing this.


Please, the governor of Pennsylvania basically admitted that's why he was asking for ID's at the voters booth. It's not that I don't think voter ID is important because it is but to honestly think the GOP isn't trying suppress voter turnout is disingenuous at best.
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