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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote] the pipeline(s) and the $$$ involved with them that were the match that lit the dumpster fire.[/quote] Exactly. Well put. Thank you. Basically what I was trying to convey but you put it more susinctly. ISIS was a proxy for SA & Qa initially. Then the US & Russia got involved and it tu...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]But at what cost??? And it effectively defeats any blockade! What kind of hairbrained economic analysis would lead to choosing the regional, ethnic civil war option??? [/quote] Because when you're making billions from o&g, spending millions on cheap mercs is pocket change....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]So it's not the primary goal to remove Assad because we don't want to do it directly... but somehow it still is the primary goal of our whole policy to install a new regime indirectly. Interesting. [/quote] As NT74 asserted, there's reasons we aren't dropping a jdam on assad's palace tonigh...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Oil has always been shipped out and now gas is too. You don't need the pipelines. [/quote] Pipelines are about 5x faster than rail and even more so than shipping....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Hmmm....[/quote] What? You said primary goal. I think our involvement there is to install the next regime and to counter Russia... but let ISIS and the rebels do the heavy lifting by taking out Assad....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]My original point is that it's not the goal. And it's not. You said that it was. [/quote] I said that's the goal for SA and Qatar...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Why would funding ISIS cause trouble for Assad? [/quote]Because ISIS is fighting the Syrian military....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Wait. So you're admitting that the U.S. has never seriously pursued the removal of Assad as its primary goal? [/quote] Pretty much. I believe thats the goal of SA, Qatar, and Turkey and the U.S. is simply giving the "nod of approval" because it fricks Russia. Russia needs to blockade as m...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]They can be funding ISIS right now, but that doesn't mean they have the same goals.[/quote] Why would they be funding ISIS if not to cause trouble for Assad? You seem to think that's wildly incorrect but you haven't offered an alternative motive....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Like what? For the KSA to undermine Qatari palace politics in an attempt to turn Qatar into a proxy state? [/quote]KSA has valuable territory Qatar would like to build on. i.e. a more direct route to Europe....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote] smartass. [/quote] lol [quote]Because we're not prepared for whatever that transition would look like.[/quote] Exactly. So your original point is moot.. thanks to yourself....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]They don't need the KSA for anything. [/quote] Sure they do....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]We could drop fire on Assad's arse and take out his whole inner circle and family tonight if his immediate removal was anyone's goal. [/quote] Then why don't we do it? :rolleyes:...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]From the guy suggesting the Syrian debacle is over a pipeline. [/quote] More than a pipeline. It has a lot to do with Russia's stronghold on Europe's Oil and Gas demand. Russia does not want to lose that leverage or revenue to ME countries....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Why don't you look at a fricking map and read about restive populations along Turkey's southern border. If you guys bothered trying to grasp the very basic dynamics of the region, its nation's, and the various ethnic and religious sectarian divisions, you wouldn't have to default to all of the...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]already Qatar has distanced itself from the KSA (again because there is a rivalry there that isn't covered by the Western press for some reason)[/quote] But it has been documented that they are both funding ISIS together. [link=(http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/10/hillary-in-leaked-email-...
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re: For those who do salt water fishing - The Baker
This thread is the equivalent to a deadly dudley. They can't fricking resist :lol: :rotflmao:...
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Nothing is better for a massive, vulnerable infrastructure project than total regional chaos! [/quote] You serious? Give it a little more effort....
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re: X marks the spot - The real reason we are involved in Syria - The Baker
[quote]Why wouldn't proxy groups for Iran and Iraq attempt to shut down any Gulf Arab pipeline in the future? [/quote] Iraq is broke and Iran's proxy groups were destroyed in the war....
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