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re: School Choice Will Lead to Higher Teacher Salaries--why do they oppose it?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:56 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:56 am to TrueTiger
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Because the incompetent will be weeded out.
This- unions protect all the stupid people. They also keep all the employees on a "level playing field" when it comes to salary. Seeing some make more money than others based on quality is WRONG in the unions' eyes. Pathetic
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:57 am to The Spleen
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But, it's also no guarantee it increases teacher salaries.
No but if tomorrow there are two or three times the classrooms and the same number of teachers what do you expect salaries to do?
If there is competition and schools have to convince their customers to buy their particular services (their services may be very specialized in a voucher system--Mr. Perfect might start a school for the dense and slow since he has life experience dealing with that disability) the schools will pay more to deliver the services.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:57 am to bamafan1001
Of course poor teachers will have a more difficult time if there is real competition.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:58 am to I B Freeman
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More school choice will lead to more schools and smaller classrooms and like in any industry create more competition and higher wages for talented labor---in this case teachers.
It will cost more to run the additional schools. Fewer shared resources will increase overhead for each school
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:00 am to 4cubbies
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It will cost more to run the additional schools. Fewer shared resources will increase overhead for each school
I think even you can run a classroom for the $500K a year we spend now.
(When did critical thinking skills collapse?? How could anyone put forth an argument about cost of education costing more in a choice system ran by private entities?)
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:02 am to DirtyMike
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Public schools pay more than private/charter schools in louisiana and it's really not even close.
In New Orleans, charters pay substantially more. You gey fewer holidays and the hours are longer, but charters pay more.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:04 am to I B Freeman
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I think even you can run a classroom for the $500K a year we spend now.
Cost 9f buildings and building maintenance isn't being considered.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:07 am to I B Freeman
True story---
When Jindal was talking about vouchers a local teacher here--a vocational teacher that was once "teacher of the year"--that is a huge union man was bitching about it to me. All the regular vitriol you hear from those people. He went on a minor rampage and then at the end he threatens "if they go all voucher I will just start my own vocational school and show them!!!"
I said to him, very calmly, "you understand that is exactly what I hope you do and exactly what I want you to do."
In that moment he finally grasp the opportunity.
When Jindal was talking about vouchers a local teacher here--a vocational teacher that was once "teacher of the year"--that is a huge union man was bitching about it to me. All the regular vitriol you hear from those people. He went on a minor rampage and then at the end he threatens "if they go all voucher I will just start my own vocational school and show them!!!"
I said to him, very calmly, "you understand that is exactly what I hope you do and exactly what I want you to do."
In that moment he finally grasp the opportunity.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:09 am to I B Freeman
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Of course poor teachers will have a more difficult time if there is real competition.
Part of the problem is there aren't enough teachers. Bad teachers stay employed because there isn't a warm body to take his or her place. Y'all live to simultaneously romanticize teaching while villainizing teachers. It's hard work and the pay isn't awesome. I don't know where the only work 7 months a year comes from. I often think about leaving for another career. I work 11 months a year as a tea her. I'm willing to work 12 months for 20k plus more a year in a different industry.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
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I think even you can run a classroom for the $500K a year we spend now.
Cost 9f buildings and building maintenance isn't being considered.
Yes it is.
You cannot really think it takes $500k per classroom to own and operate a classroom can you?
I will sell you a classroom for $100K if you like and that is a one time cost. I doubt the power bill will be over $500 a month.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:11 am to I B Freeman
quote:Why would there be 2 to 3 times the number of classrooms? The supply of students isn't going to increase.
No but if tomorrow there are two or three times the classrooms and the same number of teachers what do you expect salaries to do?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:12 am to I B Freeman
You cannot really think buildings are free to create and electricity grows on trees.
Instead of focusing on condescension, why not focus on the actual conversation? Is your
day really that bad?
Instead of focusing on condescension, why not focus on the actual conversation? Is your
day really that bad?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:13 am to buckeye_vol
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Why would there be 2 to 3 times the number of classrooms? The supply of students isn't going to increase.
He's saying classroom size would shrink because more schools would pop up all over town.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
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Part of the problem is there aren't enough teachers.
biggest reason for this is the governmental barrier to entry
i have a fricking law degree and can teach political or social studies from a much more educated POV than most teachers (i'm not insulting them, just discussing actual education in the subjects). i could teach at a law school tomorrow without regulatory or licensure issue. however, in LA, i can't teach fricking elementary school kids about civics b/c i don't have a teaching certificate that is somewhat onerous to receive
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:15 am to 4cubbies
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Instead of focusing on condescension, why not focus on the actual conversation?
Think before you post.
I know the cost of buildings.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:15 am to I B Freeman
Clearly, you think you know everything.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:15 am to 4cubbies
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In New Orleans, charters pay substantially more. You hey fewer holidays and the hours are lingers, but charters pay more.
A teacher in a NOLA charter school typically makes $45k-$50k. That is typically what a public educator in LA makes. Orleans parish has 81 charter schools and has a "C" grade.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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, i can't teach fricking elementary school kids about civics b/c i don't have a teaching certificate that is somewhat onerous to receive
I totally agree. Like every aspect of education, it's a money grab.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:16 am to I B Freeman
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School Choice Will Lead to Higher Teacher Salaries--why do they oppose it?
I think you are conflating school choice and charter schools, neither of which would increase teacher salaries.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:18 am to DirtyMike
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A teacher in a NOLA charter school typically makes $45k-$50k. That is typically what a public educator in LA makes. O
Where do you get your figures? Charter teachers don't typically make that much and in Jefferson Parish, government teachers make much less
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:19 am
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