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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:41 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:41 pm to FooManChoo
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When allegory or parables are used in the Bible, the context makes it pretty apparent.
not necessarily. There are many many times in the bible where things are exaggerated, made up, etc. and it's not clear.
I think it's obvious that the world wasn't created in 7 days, I don't think Abraham could have lived hundreds of years, and other things.
Now it is possible that God could create some type of miracle but I think it is also correct to think God wouldn't act in a way contrary to basic reason.
I don't even remember why this was brought up but it is fun to discuss.
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There is no context within the Bible that makes the book of Jonah an obvious allegory or parable.
see above but the Bible is full of exaggerations, and alterations to real stories. That is no big deal if you don't think the bible is a literal retelling of history which I don't.
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In fact, Jonah is mentioned in 2 Kings 14 as a prophet of God.
Jonah is a real prophet but that doesn't mean his story is historical. That doesn't logically follow.
I'm going to leave it at this. I don't think Jonah was swallowed by the fish but I think this is little outside of the context of our discussion.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:45 pm to CollegeFBRules
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CollegeFBRules
if you want to prove that the bible is a bunch of hog wash and shouldn't be read you should at-least try to understand what the authors intended. Evangelicals usually get it very wrong. I think Catholics are a lot closer to the correct interpretation of the scripture, mainly because they aren't bound by a fundamentalist viewpoint. Many evangelicals are stuck to sola scriptua so they have to interoperate scripture to defend this point. Secularist don't believe in miracles and the like, so they throw out all possibility of that. While Catholics do believe in the bible is inspired, they believe God worked through the Author meaning what the author intended is the most important not what the text says on a face value only.
If you read Genesis at face value you believe the world was created in 6 days and somehow the order of creation is all messed up. If you read with the intent of the author in mind than Genesis can actually be compatible with what science tells us as true.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:47 pm to CollegeFBRules
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There isn't some giant gap, dumbass. You can claim this all you want to hold on to the delusion of a heaven where you wear a glowing toga and walk on clouds for the rest of your existence, but I don't see why anyone would waste their time talking to someone so willingly dumb that they don't even acknowledge evidence that is easily found with a Google search.
Whatever dude. Part of my chiming in to begin with was to see how long it would take for someone to start the name calling. Congrats, didn't take you long.
Furthermore, you wish to call me a dumbass and delusional then you pull your take on Heaven out of your arse...gee Einstein, you could read what the Bible says about Heaven with a Google search yourself.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:47 pm to Tom288
please don't let this devolve into an evolution debate. 
yes a debate about God can be devolved into something worse on this board.
yes a debate about God can be devolved into something worse on this board.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:48 pm to Crimson1st
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Part of my chiming in to begin with was to see how long it would take for someone to start the name calling.
No you didn't.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:49 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I'm still kind, but I've lost my tolerance for morons.
Why do you think I hardly post here anymore?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:51 pm to Crimson1st
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Part of my chiming in to begin with was to see how long it would take for someone to start the name calling.
Well then, I'm certainly glad I took the time to provide you with answers backed up with evidence.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:51 pm to Tom288
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Why do you think I hardly post here anymore?
well religion is ban on this place.
which makes me wonder why this thread continues.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:56 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I'm still kind, but I've lost my tolerance for morons.
See, again I am not going to debate this further. Yes you can claim you have all the answers all you want. At the end of the day there are plenty of things that are debatable on the subject but not in this format. You will continue to try to talk down to others who disagree with you and you willfully choose to turn a deaf ear to anything anyone else might throw your way.
Isn't it ironic that you get so easily bent out of shape when someone challenges your belief system that you don't see how hypocritical you turn by refusing to listen to other viewpoints then claim the one expressing that viewpoint has his head in the sand.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:56 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:And there you have it. The intolerance of the right.
She's simply an atheist with no positive message of her own. So she's determined to tear down those of others. That's all this is about. She should be given every opportunity to install a positive representation of her beliefs. If she has none, she should have been instructed to find someone who does. Either that, or abort her plans for a display. The Judge or Official who authorized the action should be removed.
Free speech. Live it, learn it, love it.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:59 pm to Tom288
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Well then, I'm certainly glad I took the time to provide you with answers backed up with evidence.
Right, and I do appreciate your willingness to debate respectfully but that isn't allowed to happen here because others are not so respectful! Thanks for trying though...
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:00 pm to BuckyBadger
to be fair, racistbadger, posting a display of a burning angel into hell next to a nativity scene at christmas seems about as benign as posting a scene of a blackman hanging from a tree next to an MLK statue on MLK day.
eta: oops, I got my atheists-trying-to-make-a-point displays mixed up.
seeing as how it still happened, I'm leaving this up
eta: oops, I got my atheists-trying-to-make-a-point displays mixed up.
seeing as how it still happened, I'm leaving this up
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:01 pm to Crimson1st
Evolution isn't up for debate. If you think it is, this is a YOU problem.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:03 pm to CollegeFBRules
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No you didn't.
If you don't believe in God, why do you want to pretend to be him?
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:03 pm to Tiguar
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to be fair, racistbadger, posting a display of a burning angel into hell next to a nativity scene at christmas seems about as benign as posting a scene of a blackman hanging from a tree next to an MLK statue on MLK day.
For all you know they were celebrating God's divine justice by illustrating his punishment of fallen angels...who are you to assume to know their motivations?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:04 pm to Crimson1st
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refusing to listen to other viewpoints
Hell yes I refuse to listen to someone question evolution.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:05 pm to Tiguar
quote:Racist?
to be fair, racistbadger, posting a display of a burning angel into hell next to a nativity scene at christmas seems about as benign as posting a scene of a blackman hanging from a tree next to an MLK statue on MLK day.
At Xmas? First, Xmas is one day. But, now we have to have a season? Funny, to me it is winter time. It is a much Xmas as it is Hanukkah.
There was display of a burning angel? Really? Now that would have been cool.
We get it. You hate free speech.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:10 pm to catholictigerfan
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if you want to prove that the bible is a bunch of hog wash and shouldn't be read you should at-least try to understand what the authors intended. Evangelicals usually get it very wrong. I think Catholics are a lot closer to the correct interpretation of the scripture, mainly because they aren't bound by a fundamentalist viewpoint. Many evangelicals are stuck to sola scriptua so they have to interoperate scripture to defend this point. Secularist don't believe in miracles and the like, so they throw out all possibility of that. While Catholics do believe in the bible is inspired, they believe God worked through the Author meaning what the author intended is the most important not what the text says on a face value only.
If you read Genesis at face value you believe the world was created in 6 days and somehow the order of creation is all messed up. If you read with the intent of the author in mind than Genesis can actually be compatible with what science tells us as true.
I've read the bible, some parts of it are awesome. It was never meant to be taken literally though. If so, you can't reconcile Job with the rest of the bible.
I respect people's beliefs even if I don't agree. I don't care what kind of display anyone sets up as long as it's not to push their beliefs or lack of beliefs on others. Spirituality, or a lack of should be a personal thing.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:13 pm to BuckyBadger
Don't you love how the board's racists have taken to calling white people racist against white people. Their ignorance knows no boundaries.
Their ignorance knows no boundaries. Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:16 pm to BuckyBadger
You can't reason someone out of a religious belief because they didn't use reason to form that belief. The vast majority of the religious beliefs held by individuals across religions were gotten by childhood conditioning from the ages of 0-6. Any kind of conditioning during those ages goes straight into the subconscious mind with no critical or conscious filter. Once again, if most people were not exposed to the teachings of their religion until age 18, they would not be religious at all because it would sound ludicrous to them. You have to get them young as admitted by the Catholic church so that you can pour that stuff into a skull full of mush. It is hard to jettison that kind of conditioning later in life. It takes effort. And it usually takes separating yourself from the family or social environment that shaped those beliefs in the first place. And it takes a truly open mind.
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