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re: Robert Duvall leaving the GOP
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:41 pm to papasmurf1269
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:41 pm to papasmurf1269
The Great Santini does what The Great Santini wants. I thought he moved to Argentina years ago anyway...
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:15 pm to papasmurf1269
Should I refer you to the Obama opinion thread about the issues with linking a single polling source?
Also, regarding the very first poll question you linked: you realize that "legal only under certain circumstances" is so broad that simply limiting PBAs would fall under it?
Also, regarding the very first poll question you linked: you realize that "legal only under certain circumstances" is so broad that simply limiting PBAs would fall under it?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:40 pm to Lsupimp
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I thought he moved to Argentina years ago
Nah, he's buried in a little grove of trees down by a river in south Texas somewhere, minus a leg.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:45 pm to RIPMachoMan
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I left the GOP a long time ago but I sure as shite didn't join the hell on Earth that's the democratic party.
Makes two of us.
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:46 pm to Jim Rockford
Leaving over abortion is a poor reason. The Republicans are right about that.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:58 pm to Jim Rockford
He done it deliberate.. done it deliberate.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:08 pm to Wolfhound45
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You're reading comprehension is exceptionally poor. I made no argument for or against abortion. I simply pointed out the extreme example you (poorly) chose to use.
No.
You discounted an assertion virtually guaranteed to be true regarding Duvall's decision.
You then said:
quote:You made a definitive single position assessment as to whether Duvall should or should not remain Republican.
[Duvall] is pro-choice. It is not like the Republican Party has not been pro-life since the mid 70s. If he disagrees with their pro-life position then he is best served to move on. There is a party that is pro-choice. He will fit right in.
Let's think about that.
Shall we?
First, you made an assertion regarding Duvall's position on abortion, but what do you actually know of it?
What is Duvall's position regarding late term abortion?
What is his position regarding abortion for sex selection?
What is Duvall's position regarding a 20wk cutoff?
Now then.
Regarding a litany of GOP tenets:
What is Duvall's position regarding government spending?
What is Duvall's position regarding increased taxes?
What is Duvall's position regarding Obamacare?
What is Duvall's position regarding government regulation?
What is Duvall's position regarding expansion of energy independence?
What is Duvall's position regarding IRS targeting?
etc.
Based on one single issue, you said "there is a party that is pro-choice," and Duvall should join it because "he will fit right in." That is dense.
quote:Didn't avoid it. Frequency is not relevant. As with elective late-term abortion, if it ever happens, then it happens too often. Simple precept. As for the comparison, if I had to guess how many abortions are the direct result of rape in this country, I'd say at least as many as there are late-term abortions. It's an educated guess, but a guess none the less.
Noticed you avoided the question of how many abortions are the direct result of rape.
What is no guess is that someone like Aiken, Murdock, papasmurf, or you should not be allowed to prevent a rape victim from terminating the resulting pregnancy so she'd not relive the episode virtually every waking moment for 9 months (even assuming no associated life altering medical complications with the process).
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:17 pm to NC_Tigah
Your reading comprehension has slightly improved. He stated the position of the Democratic Party. Choice. Period. He will fit right in. Why is that so hard to understand?
Wow. Nice work. Considering I offered no opinions on abortion and yet you make a dramatic statement about my supposed position. You must be clairvoyant. What is that like?
The rest of the stuff you wrote was pretty good. Congrats.
ETA: Had to offer you props on that well built strawman. My bad for not mentioning it earlier.
The faux outrage is also pretty cool as well.
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What is no guess is that someone like Aiken, Murdock, papasmurf, or you should not be allowed to prevent a rape victim from terminating the resulting pregnancy so she'd not relive the episode virtually every waking moment for 9 months (even assuming no associated life altering medical complications with the process).
Wow. Nice work. Considering I offered no opinions on abortion and yet you make a dramatic statement about my supposed position. You must be clairvoyant. What is that like?
The rest of the stuff you wrote was pretty good. Congrats.
ETA: Had to offer you props on that well built strawman. My bad for not mentioning it earlier.
The faux outrage is also pretty cool as well.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:22 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Your opinion as to whether Duvall should join the Democrat party was founded on a guess regarding the man's position on one issue. That suffices.
Considering I offered no opinions on abortion and yet you make a dramatic statement about my supposed position. You must be clairvoyant. What is that like?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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Your opinion as to whether Duvall should join the Democrat party was founded on a guess regarding the man's position on one issue.
Which of the two parties has pro-choice as a central plank in their platform? Enlighten me.
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That suffices.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:40 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Define pro-choice as the Democrat Party uses the term.
Which of the two parties has pro-choice as a central plank in their platform? Enlighten me.
Then define it as Duvall was using the term, and address the questions you ignored:
What is Duvall's position regarding late term abortion?
What is his position regarding abortion for sex selection?
What is Duvall's position regarding a 20wk cutoff?
Now then.
Regarding a litany of GOP tenets:
What is Duvall's position regarding government spending?
What is Duvall's position regarding increased taxes?
What is Duvall's position regarding Obamacare?
What is Duvall's position regarding government regulation?
What is Duvall's position regarding expansion of energy independence?
What is Duvall's position regarding IRS targeting?
etc.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:46 pm to Jim Rockford
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"Some of these very conservative Republicans... I don't know, man. I believe in a woman's choice."
Somehow, some way, we really need to improve on our terminology in America. We need some new words or something because frankly, to me, the abortion issue has nothing to do with conservatism/liberalism. Sure. There is definitely a correlation in America, but there needs to be terms for the sides on Social issues that are separate from the terms on fiscal issues.
I mean. My positions regarding taxes, entitlements, govt spending, military etc etc have pretty much zero relation to my social positions.
I'm not the only one. IRL, I meet people all the time who are all over the map on social issues but, if they're fiscally liberal, that seems to be a near universal trend and if they're fiscally conservative, same thing.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:48 pm to Wolfhound45
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Which of the two parties has pro-choice as a central plank in their platform? Enlighten me.
I think one can easily be pro-choice republican or pro-life democrat. That these two ideas have become incompatible in the US is really kind of absurd. It smacks completely of team politics.
Frankly, if I knew someone who was generally fiscally conservative but pro-choice and therefore, called themselves Democrat, I'd know they were an idiot. Vice versa too.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:53 pm to Sentrius
Anyone who shills for any of the political parties is not worthy of our respect. It's all a shitshow.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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OTOH, I have heard that if the 16y/o doesn't actually enjoy the rape, she'll be able to shut her reproductive system down and won't get pregnant. Maybe that's papasmurf1269's contention.
ISWYDT
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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Frequency is not relevant. As with elective late-term abortion, if it ever happens, then it happens too often. Simple precept. As for the comparison, if I had to guess how many abortions are the direct result of rape in this country, I'd say at least as many as there are late-term abortions. It's an educated guess, but a guess none the less.
You are correct, sir.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Define pro-choice as the Democrat Party uses the term.
Hilarious. Please re-read what he said. Slowly.
He talked about conservatives. Then he focused on his feelings regarding a woman's choice. It does not have to be more nuanced than that. One party has pro-choice as a central plank in their platform. One party has pro-life as a central plank in their platform.
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Other questions that NC-Tigah copied and pasted from his earlier post
Apparently none of those issues are enough to keep him in the Republican Party. So, the only other viable option is... what?
You honestly have provided me the most entertainment I have had on this board for quite some time. When I am down in Fayetteville/Fort Bragg one day we are going to have to get together.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:14 pm to VOR
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You are correct, sir.
ETA: Correct at what? Not answering the question? But still using it as a central part of his opening argument?
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 4:15 pm
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