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re: Report: Federal Grand Juries voted to indict defendant 99.9% of the time
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:31 pm to tigerinDC09
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:31 pm to tigerinDC09
This is Scooter Libby all over again. Trump should have his pardoning pen ready for all the victims of the Democratic witch hunt.
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:33 pm to CptBengal
quote:So you don't think a lot of people would think Trump looks bad if he was trying to stop an investigation when it's later revealed that there was criminal actions that warranted to the investigation?
I love how you repeat the MSM talking points. over and over and over.
I don't need the MSM to tell me something that is very obvious. You may not care, but it obviously would not be a good thing for Trump at all.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:34 pm to LSURussian
HOLY shite!!!
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:35 pm to buckeye_vol
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So you don't think a lot of people would think Trump looks bad
this is a grand jury...
good god youre a fricking hack.
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I don't need the MSM to tell me something that is very obvious.
yes you do. and you lap it up.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:35 pm to BBONDS25
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They may indict...but that dog won't hunt. It would be thrown out immediately. For several reasons.
From my understanding, the only people that can "throw it out" (with respect to the President) are the house and Senate.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:35 pm to buckeye_vol
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You may not care,
I don't.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:36 pm to tigerinDC09
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From my understanding, the only people that can "throw it out" (with respect to the President) are the house and Senate.
Will there be no judge involved?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:37 pm to Rakim
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Perjury
Only thing they got
That is what they are trying to get.
Grand juries are perjury traps.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:37 pm to Oluja Ispred
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This is Scooter Libby all over again. Trump should have his pardoning pen ready for all the victims of the Democratic witch hunt.
Remember, that a pardon means that the recipient inherently admits that they committed a crime.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:38 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Will there be no judge involved?
That's not how a federal grand jury works. If the prosecutor targets someone and grand jury indicts, I don't know that a judge can over-rule, otherwise why have the grand jury?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:41 pm to tigerinDC09
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All we need to know now are the targets. It's already known than Flynn and Manafort are targets, so they're likely already cooked.
Flynn could have a problem in that he was not a registered agent. Manafort, however, was a known registered agent, so in that respect he is very much in the clear.
For something to stick to Don Jr. or Kushner, Mueller would have to prove tat there was a real coordination between the Trump campaign post June 26, 2016 going forward. If all that is determined was that there was one 20 minute meeting between Trump, Jr. Kushner and Manafort, Mueller would have to contort himself in ways that I don't think any competent Federal judge would allow.
Next, in order to create a link, Mueller would have to provide evidence of coordination between Assange and the campaign because of the emails. In order to do this, the Intel community is going to have to testify as to how the links were made. How the map was constructed. I don't see the CIA, ONI DHS or DNI cooperating irrespective of party affiliation. The Intel community is NOT going to give up their methods.....on top of that they would be compelled into providing discovery to any defendants and open to deposition by the defendant's attorneys.
They can indict , sure, a ham sandwich can be indicted based upon the wide latitude that is given to federal prosecutors as it comes to grand juries. A prosecutor can contort anything into probable cause and in his charge to the grand jury make having the wrong brand mayonnaise on the ham sandwich look like probable cause.
It would be hard to get Flynn for obstruction as it would be Manafort. Maybe you could get them for a process crime. But if they are smart, they don't talk to their wives without attorneys present at this juncture.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:41 pm to GumboPot
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That is what they are trying to get. Grand juries are perjury traps.
You know how to avoid that???
Tell, the truth. LOL
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:43 pm to tigerinDC09
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That's not how a federal grand jury works. If the prosecutor targets someone and grand jury indicts, I don't know that a judge can over-rule, otherwise why have the grand jury?
I presume the post meant the case would be thrown out upon review by a judge, possibly upon review of Pre-trial motions.
I have no idea what authority Congress would have over any of this. This is a prosecution of breach of Federal Law. No room for Congress' stupidity in here...
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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So you don't think a lot of people would think Trump looks bad if he was trying to stop an investigation when it's later revealed that there was criminal actions that warranted to the investigation?
They really just DGAF. Trump agenda at all costs. They are fine with trump being a criminal, as long as he is their criminal.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:44 pm to tigerinDC09
The best part about all of this, is no one can actually name a crime that's being investigated, only that they're looking for a crime to investigate. LOL.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:44 pm to KiwiHead
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. But if they are smart, they don't talk to their wives
And if they did that, there'd be somebody there to leak it to the WAPO.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:45 pm to KiwiHead
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For something to stick to Don Jr. or Kushner, Mueller would have to prove tat there was a real coordination between the Trump campaign post June 26, 2016 going forward. If all that is determined was that there was one 20 minute meeting between Trump, Jr. Kushner and Manafort, Mueller would have to contort himself in ways that I don't think any competent Federal judge would allow.
I still think the collusion part will be very hard to prove in trial. But potential financial crimes will be where this whole thing leads
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It would be hard to get Flynn for obstruction as it would be Manafort. Maybe you could get them for a process crime. But if they are smart, they don't talk to their wives without attorneys present at this juncture.
They don't get a lawyer with them when they go in front of the grand jury, so yeah a "process crime" is a real possibility.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:45 pm to tigerinDC09
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That's not how a federal grand jury works. If the prosecutor targets someone and grand jury indicts, I don't know that a judge can over-rule, otherwise why have the grand jury?
You are mostly right. In rare cases a superior judge like a senior Federal Judge can have a certain level of oversight in determining whether or not the prosecutor's charges met all procedural guidelines....and the law. But that is usually determined after the fact...it's rare that this would happen
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:46 pm to Hawkeye95
and you want trump removed at all costs, no matter what.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:46 pm to Hawkeye95
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They are fine with trump being a criminal, as long as he is their criminal.
What has he done that is criminal? What evidence do you have that crime has been committed by Trump? Not "what can we find if we look hard enough for a long enough time" but what, exactly, has he done thus far that is a criminal act? And by criminal act, I don't mean "WE don't like him" or "He's a mean poopy-head"
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 1:48 pm
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