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re: Questions about Reagan
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:47 am to mtntiger
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:47 am to mtntiger
Showed his big bad self by invading a small island off South America and was president when base in Beirut was exposed to huge bombing. And yall think Obama is bad? Where are the standards set ?
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:48 am to trackfan
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EDIT: I don't understand why you would be so offended by a post in which I'm praising Reagan, and criticizing Carter.
I'm not. I'm criticizing Gorby. You're one of my favorite posters, Track.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:16 pm to charlieg14
quote:First, I'll take invading far off places over rolling up to a private citizen's house in tanks ala' Waco.
Showed his big bad self by invading a small island off South America
Secondly, people don't understand what Grenada was about. It wasn't about Grenada. It was about sending a statement to the world about what we would/would not accept. I'll take that over the erasable red-line statements we make today...
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:49 pm to Taxing Authority
A Soviet-backed socialist Dictator building a military style runway capable of landing Russian bombers in our backyard was reason enough. Shut the Russians the hell up.
Beirut was a terrible blow. We were there to keep the peace, Iran slaughtered our Marines, and weretreated. There was bad in leaving abruptly and good with leaving abruptly. Every liberal in America at the time, by the way, backed the mission-screaming for it after the Shatila and Sabra massacres. That is conveniently forgotten by all the usual suspects. Lebanon requested the UN and 4 Nato countries obliged. And until the bombing occurred they did a damn good job of preventing The Israelis and various Lebanese factions from slaughtering each other.
Beirut was a terrible blow. We were there to keep the peace, Iran slaughtered our Marines, and weretreated. There was bad in leaving abruptly and good with leaving abruptly. Every liberal in America at the time, by the way, backed the mission-screaming for it after the Shatila and Sabra massacres. That is conveniently forgotten by all the usual suspects. Lebanon requested the UN and 4 Nato countries obliged. And until the bombing occurred they did a damn good job of preventing The Israelis and various Lebanese factions from slaughtering each other.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:35 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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No. Please explain it to me.
Increases in the money supply will cause interest rates to lower.
During Reagan's Presidency, we saw large increases in the money supply due to increased employment and an increase in expendable income due to changes to the tax code.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 2:54 pm to SuperSaint
Reagan was an amazing man. He was not without fault but, he was by far the best leader we've seen in a very long time.
Last summer, I visited the Reagan Presidential Library/Museum. It was an incredible experience.
We so need to find another leader like him who can pull this nation out of the perpetual malaise that we have been in for the past 20+ years.
Obama on the other hand is by far the worst leader that we have had in my lifetime. He has exceeded Carter in every way possible.
Last summer, I visited the Reagan Presidential Library/Museum. It was an incredible experience.
We so need to find another leader like him who can pull this nation out of the perpetual malaise that we have been in for the past 20+ years.
Obama on the other hand is by far the worst leader that we have had in my lifetime. He has exceeded Carter in every way possible.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:41 pm to LSUwag
The GOP has been looking for the 'next Reagan' for decades. I don't read about the Dems looking for the 'next .....'. I wonder who would fill in the Dem's blank. Bill Clinton? That's a pretty low goal post.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:52 pm to SuperSaint
What I remember about Reagan was he saved the country from the Shitshow that was the Carter administration.It was really a bad time in America and RR brought back a lot of pride in the country.
With the Obama administration, I see even more need for somebody to step in and save the country from these lying assed people that, with the help of the media, are ruining this nation.
With the Obama administration, I see even more need for somebody to step in and save the country from these lying assed people that, with the help of the media, are ruining this nation.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:54 pm to Zach
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I wonder who would fill in the Dem's blank
It will be Obama after he leaves office.
Obama will be elevated to the same level as King in coming years. Just watch.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:57 pm to weagle99
All the post WWII presidents, including Reagan, had a piece in the break-up of the USSR.
That said, at best, U.S. actions accelerated the process a bit. Overall however, the Soviet system was doomed to fail for myriad reasons, including the impracticality of an extremely Centralized government presiding over a huge landmass combined with the inherent inefficiencies of a planned economy bereft of market principles.
That said, at best, U.S. actions accelerated the process a bit. Overall however, the Soviet system was doomed to fail for myriad reasons, including the impracticality of an extremely Centralized government presiding over a huge landmass combined with the inherent inefficiencies of a planned economy bereft of market principles.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 3:58 pm to weagle99
That's an interesting point. The Dems will look for 'the next Obama.' But Hillary wouldn't fit that.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:01 pm to charlieg14
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Showed his big bad self by invading a small island off South America and was president when base in Beirut was exposed to huge bombing. And yall think Obama is bad? Where are the standards set ?
These folks set their standards based on whether the President has an R or D behind his name, which means that in their eyes, the Iranian hostage crisis and the Benghazi embassy attack are the worst foreign policy catastrophes in American history. Can you imagine the reaction from these folks if the Bierut bombing, the Pan Am 103 bombing and the shootdown of KAL 007 had happened on Obama's watch? There's nothing that happened on Carter's or Obama's watch as calamitous as these events which happened on Reagan's watch, and Reagan cut and run after the first event, did nothing after the second and third, and yet his worshipers have nothing to say about them. And then there's 9/11. . . . .
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:08 pm to trackfan
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These folks set their standards based on whether the President has an R or D behind his name, which means that in their eyes, the Iranian hostage crisis and the Benghazi embassy attack are the worst foreign policy catastrophes in American history.
It's the exact opposite. What you are doing is what is called 'projection.' You accuse the other side of doing what you do. Democrats are the ones who look for the "D" v. the "R". Democrats are the monolithic lemmings willing to go over the cliff.
The Iranian hostage crisis was due to Carter and the Dems' pussification of foreign policy. Obama is doing it now. He's a pussy and Putin knows it.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:15 pm to trackfan
people see what they want to see ... the folks bitching about spending don't want to acknowledge the massive debts (% wise) reagan ran up while president, or worse, the increased reliance on deficit spending ... same folks who deify him want to thump their chests over the invasion of granada ... his economic policy was, to a degree, favored by their hated liberal, jfk, and disavowed by many republicans before his election ... still hear republicans today claiming iran freed the hostages because they were afraid of reagan (the hostage crisis was direct retaliation for carter giving the shah a home in the US - it was about carter, not reagan) ...
he was a good man in a terribly difficult job and deserves credit for accelerating the downfall of the ussr and restoring the public's confidence ... he lied about stuff, same as every other president ... the iran contra thing wasn't a big deal, though it flew in the face of his pronouncement that the US doesn't negotiate for hostages ... he doesn't belong on rushmore, but he's one of the better ones, if such a thing matters ...
he was a good man in a terribly difficult job and deserves credit for accelerating the downfall of the ussr and restoring the public's confidence ... he lied about stuff, same as every other president ... the iran contra thing wasn't a big deal, though it flew in the face of his pronouncement that the US doesn't negotiate for hostages ... he doesn't belong on rushmore, but he's one of the better ones, if such a thing matters ...
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:23 pm to Zach
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Dunno, but RR's approval ratings were the highest at the time of leaving office.
Simply not true.
They took an uptick at the very end, but even with that, he often had equal or higher ratings than his last one (15 times to be exact).
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:27 pm to trackfan
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Can you imagine the reaction from these folks if the Bierut bombing, the Pan Am 103 bombing and the shootdown of KAL 007 had happened on Obama's watch? There's nothing that happened on Carter's or Obama's watch as calamitous as these events which happened on Reagan's watch, and Reagan cut and run after the first event, did nothing after the second and third, and yet his worshipers have nothing to say about them. And then there's 9/11
You are ruining the Reagan circle jerk/ narrative with obvious facts.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:38 pm to sugar71
Who would you rather have marry a close family member?
1. Reagan
2. Obama
3. Clinton
4. Nixon
1,4,3,be a lesbian.
From a personal standpoint, Reagan has good intentions. He was not sophisticated and certainly made mistakes, both in policy decisions and personnel. The exact same could be said for Carter. But there is no cult-of-personality for Carter. I think Reagan was one of our better presidents of the 20th Century. But that's subjective, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Most folks aren't ambivalent about Reagan, he was and his legacy is polarizing.
1. Reagan
2. Obama
3. Clinton
4. Nixon
1,4,3,be a lesbian.
From a personal standpoint, Reagan has good intentions. He was not sophisticated and certainly made mistakes, both in policy decisions and personnel. The exact same could be said for Carter. But there is no cult-of-personality for Carter. I think Reagan was one of our better presidents of the 20th Century. But that's subjective, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Most folks aren't ambivalent about Reagan, he was and his legacy is polarizing.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 4:40 pm to trackfan
quote:I don't hold any president responsible for the actions of others. Want an example? I don't hold Obama for Benghazi happening. The problem with Benghazi was the attempt to bury it and spin it.
Can you imagine the reaction from these folks if the Bierut bombing, the Pan Am 103 bombing and the shootdown of KAL 007 had happened on Obama's watch?
Reagan didn't try to blame KAL 007 not PA 103 on a movie.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 6:16 pm to Zach
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It's the exact opposite. What you are doing is what is called 'projection.' You accuse the other side of doing what you do.
I wasn't projecting, I was talking specifically about the folks charlieg14 alluded in his post, not all Republicans.
quote:
Democrats are the ones who look for the "D" v. the "R". Democrats are the monolithic lemmings willing to go over the cliff.
This is funny. In one sentence you accuse me of projecting, and in the very next sentence you do the very thing you just accused me of. Pot meet kettle.
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The Iranian hostage crisis was due to Carter and the Dems' pussification of foreign policy. Obama is doing it now. He's a pussy and Putin knows it.
Was it also pussification of our foreign policy that caused the Beirut Marine barracks bombing, the Pan Am 103 bombing, the KAL 007 shootdown, 9/11 and the invasion of Georgia?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 6:51 pm to sugar71
Reagan probably gets a little bump in approval during current times because of his success with combating his inherited recession while Obama has severely struggled with his economic policy in the face of the recession.
People tend to look favorably on the past when there are problems in the present. If Obama wasn't economically incompetent, people would probably judge Reagan a little more on the even keel.
People tend to look favorably on the past when there are problems in the present. If Obama wasn't economically incompetent, people would probably judge Reagan a little more on the even keel.
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