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Question for liberals and "libertarians" on this board-Do you really think this is helping
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:08 pm
I know a large portion of the "libertarians" are "neutral" but for those of you on this board do you really think this russia/impeachment/obstruction brouhaha is really endearing anyone to the democratic party?
Do you really think Joe coalminer in west virginia or Peter UAWmember in Michigan who had pulled the lever on the D candidate all their life until Trump is changing their mind on him because of this?
Who do you think they blame for this mess Trump who promised them a wall, jobs, and a return to normalcy or the party who put illegals on the stage at their convention?
I get they are revving up the far left of their party but I honestly think any normal person is sick of this crap.
Do you really think Joe coalminer in west virginia or Peter UAWmember in Michigan who had pulled the lever on the D candidate all their life until Trump is changing their mind on him because of this?
Who do you think they blame for this mess Trump who promised them a wall, jobs, and a return to normalcy or the party who put illegals on the stage at their convention?
I get they are revving up the far left of their party but I honestly think any normal person is sick of this crap.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 3:09 pm
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:10 pm to Adam Banks
Melt
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:11 pm to The Spleen
Not melting just an honest question.
Do you think this has won over any significant voting block from Trump?
Do you think this has won over any significant voting block from Trump?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:13 pm to Adam Banks
to be honest with you I don't think it is changing party line voters. but the true independents that voted for Trump this is turning them off. To me this is 75% bullshite and 25% Trump is a dumpster fire and we can expect 3 more years of him bragging about doing nothing and the MSM reporting everything he does.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:14 pm to Adam Banks
I think the Russia investigation is fodder for cable news and national pundits and people like us who follow politics compulsively, but I don't think rank-and-file Dems are really campaigning on it back home. In MTAL for example Quist's stretch run of ad buys was mainly health care. LINK
I also think you've got it backwards. The center-left is way more obsessed with Russia than the far-left. If anything the far-left is kind of miffed because they would rather talk about how Trump is fricking over the poor. (The average TD poster has a really, really inaccurate mental map of the intra-Democratic terrain and left vs liberal arguments in general.)
I also think you've got it backwards. The center-left is way more obsessed with Russia than the far-left. If anything the far-left is kind of miffed because they would rather talk about how Trump is fricking over the poor. (The average TD poster has a really, really inaccurate mental map of the intra-Democratic terrain and left vs liberal arguments in general.)
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:14 pm to Adam Banks
So, they'll blame the dems for Trump hiring a guy who was fricking with Russians.
Im sure its the dems fault Ryan and Co pushed a steaming pile of shite for a HC bill too. Those coal miners are furious at the dems for that!
Im sure those coal miners are furious at the dirty dems stealing Trumps Twitter account and sending out all those stupid fricking tweets. Those devious dems are everywhere!
Im sure its the dems fault Ryan and Co pushed a steaming pile of shite for a HC bill too. Those coal miners are furious at the dems for that!
Im sure those coal miners are furious at the dirty dems stealing Trumps Twitter account and sending out all those stupid fricking tweets. Those devious dems are everywhere!
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:18 pm to Adam Banks
I really think the left would be well served to begin to speak more precisely.
People tire of scandals. Continuing to call this the "Russia" scandal, rather than an abuse of power, obstruction of justice, comey, etc. scandal isn't going to help them, I think.
People hear Russia and I think they go back to it being used repetitively in the final weeks of the campaign. Russia is a solid boogeyman, but they need to be regularly reframing how the narrative is presented.
People tire of scandals. Continuing to call this the "Russia" scandal, rather than an abuse of power, obstruction of justice, comey, etc. scandal isn't going to help them, I think.
People hear Russia and I think they go back to it being used repetitively in the final weeks of the campaign. Russia is a solid boogeyman, but they need to be regularly reframing how the narrative is presented.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:19 pm to Adam Banks
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do you really think this russia/impeachment/obstruction brouhaha is really endearing anyone to the democratic party?
It's not the political infighting that only political wonks like us see that hurts the Dems. It's the optics to the masses.
When you see pics in the MSM that show crazed radical dems screaming and chanting the MSM thinks it looks great and mobilizes the masses to rise up.
It actually makes the average non political voter think that the dems must be some kind of loons and they get a 'ooooh, I don't want to be in that group' response.
The dems have unmasked themselves thinking that what you see is persuasive. It's not.
BTW, libertarians are not remotely related to liberals. You cannot be for "big govt making everything equal" and for "govt leaving me the frick alone" at the same time.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:20 pm to hawkeye007
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but the true independents that voted for Trump this is turning them off.
From Trump or the democratic party? I am honestly asking your opinion. I think the Benghazi thing wore people out. To me it was another notch in the long list of Clinton controversies but to the average Joe its difficult to put what exactly Hillary's role was and it dragged on and on and on. The Email server was also a wear out but for one thing. Trump and Pence used to to create a silver spoon above the law image of Hillary. IE if this was your kid in the Military theyd be in jail.
This is just me but I dont think the average Joe is able to make heads or tails of what the Russia situation is really about and the Comey thing is hard as well because until he was fired you could find people on both sides of the aisle calling for his head.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:20 pm to Adam Banks
i am not democrat or republican and I am sick to death of all of it. Making plans to retire in a different county. This government is broken and I do not think it can be fixed.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:20 pm to Adam Banks
I find the liberals overblown melt and hard bias spin on Trump's every move equally as annoying as this board doing gold medal mental gymnastics to defend this idiot president's every move.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:20 pm to Pettifogger
quote:I think that ship has sailed. If an organization wants to control the terms of a debate they need to assert that control early and by now trying to invent some cute name that doesn't include "Russia" is doomed, it's talked about enough that that organic inertia is insurmountable
People tire of scandals. Continuing to call this the "Russia" scandal, rather than an abuse of power, obstruction of justice, comey, etc. scandal isn't going to help them, I think.
But I also don't think this is as important as you think; Nixon wasn't technically impeached for "Watergate" either
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:21 pm to Adam Banks
Dems are in danger of overplaying their hand with a lot of this stuff.
I believe reasonable Americans support a quiet, fair investigation and recognize bombastic context framing for what it is.
I believe reasonable Americans support a quiet, fair investigation and recognize bombastic context framing for what it is.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:22 pm to Zach
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BTW, libertarians are not remotely related to liberals. You cannot be for "big govt making everything equal" and for "govt leaving me the frick alone" at the same time.
Yes I know thats why I put it in quotes. We have our resident "libertarians" such as losh, asurob etc who somehow have never found one single thing to disagree with the liberals on.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:22 pm to Adam Banks
Iosh, I think we need your edited poliboard spectrum chart here.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:23 pm to Adam Banks
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Yes I know thats why I put it in quotes. We have our resident "libertarians" such as losh, asurob etc who somehow have never found one single thing to disagree with the liberals on.
This is complete bullshite.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:23 pm to mattgr1983
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this board doing gold medal mental gymnastics to defend this idiot president's every move
I have heard them called "trumpanzees". I find it quite fitting hehe.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:25 pm to Tiguar
quote:I need to re-edit it to make the gray part bigger, I wasn't nearly aggressive enough in my presentation of how much gets lumped together
Iosh, I think we need your edited poliboard spectrum chart here.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:27 pm to AUbused
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Im sure those coal miners are furious at the dirty dems stealing Trumps Twitter account and sending out all those stupid fricking tweets. Those devious dems are everywhere!
Come on
do you really think his post inauguration tweets are ANY different than his campaign tweets? The people love it. quote:
Im sure its the dems fault Ryan and Co pushed a steaming pile of shite for a HC bill too. Those coal miners are furious at the dems for that!
Well the HC bill isnt final yet+until it impacts the pocket book I really dont think average Joe knows one way or the other what they think about the intricacies of the health care bill
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So, they'll blame the dems for Trump hiring a guy who was fricking with Russians.
Trump fired him.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:29 pm to Adam Banks
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do you really think this russia/impeachment/obstruction brouhaha is really endearing anyone to the democratic party?
I hope not. I would happily watch the democratic party burn with popcorn and a beer. The GOP as well.
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Do you really think Joe coalminer in west virginia or Peter UAWmember in Michigan who had pulled the lever on the D candidate all their life until Trump is changing their mind on him because of this?
Nope. They are probably thinking there are no good options and we should just start over and ban political parties.
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Who do you think they blame for this mess Trump who promised them a wall, jobs, and a return to normalcy or the party who put illegals on the stage at their convention?
Washington is to blame. All of them. The idea of partisan politics is to blame. If people voted on their principles instead of their parties, this wouldn't be happening.
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I get they are revving up the far left of their party but I honestly think any normal person is sick of this crap.
Yes.
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