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Question about this Russia situation
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:41 pm
Was anything that was leaked fabricated? Is this whole controversy about the leaked documents during the election season or was there more that I'm missing?
If it is only about leaked documents and they weren't fabricated, I feel like people shouldn't be that upset over the truth coming to light. It's hard for me to complain when the dealings of the government get more transparent. So what gives?
I just don't get how this is being presented as a "stolen" election if it was just true documents being brought to light. Is the argument that the GOP is just as corrupt, and just wasn't exposed?
If that's the argument, then what a sad state of affairs.
If it is only about leaked documents and they weren't fabricated, I feel like people shouldn't be that upset over the truth coming to light. It's hard for me to complain when the dealings of the government get more transparent. So what gives?
I just don't get how this is being presented as a "stolen" election if it was just true documents being brought to light. Is the argument that the GOP is just as corrupt, and just wasn't exposed?
If that's the argument, then what a sad state of affairs.
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:44 pm to Ross
Forget about Russia. Look what's happening in our own country.
Things are going to get worse before they get better.
Russia is a smokescreen.
Things are going to get worse before they get better.
Russia is a smokescreen.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:44 pm to Ross
They want you to believe that Russia has some type of incriminating information on Trump that compromised him and are using it for blackmail if Trump doesn't sell off all US Assets at the lowest price to Russia leaving China truly pissed because they are the ones promised America's assets and china then gets mad at Russia and we have a nuke war.
They are trying to save us all.
They are trying to save us all.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:48 pm to Ross
It's not that anything "leaked" is fabricated.
It's that it's all just speculation to support a narrative.
The Russian Ambassador to the United States spoke with a lot of officials of the United States. Because some are in the trump camp doesn't mean trump conspired with, or is a puppet of putin
It's that it's all just speculation to support a narrative.
The Russian Ambassador to the United States spoke with a lot of officials of the United States. Because some are in the trump camp doesn't mean trump conspired with, or is a puppet of putin
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:50 pm to Lsuchs
Think he was talking about the e-mails and said documents by mistake.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:52 pm to reo45
Understood it as a comparison of leaked emails and leaked conversations being the same (and good) as in more transparency. May have misread
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:54 pm to reo45
I don't know the answer to the Russia thing. It's a complicated issue but it seems to me that Russia wanted to influence the election in favor of Trump. So the question to me is why? They hate Hillary or they are pro Trump for what reason? It also seems that people in the Trump campaign were aware of this and had contact with Russia. Even if you are pro Trump you have to ask yourself why.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:57 pm to Lsuchs
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Understood it as a comparison of leaked emails and leaked conversations being the same (and good) as in more transparency. May have misread
When he mentioned "the election season" that could have only been pertaining to e-mails, but you are correct that he combined both at the end of his last paragraph.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:58 pm to Lsuchs
The Russians and KGB Putin have played the Democrats like children. It's hard to believe the Dem's fell for the Putin scheming and planning. Just keep America divided and not strong again. It's all Putin's plan.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:00 pm to TIGERSTORM
quote:
I don't know the answer to the Russia thing. It's a complicated issue but it seems to me that Russia wanted to influence the election in favor of Trump. So the question to me is why?
Why would Iran rather Hillary over Trump? Because obama withdrew sanctions and trump will reinstate them.
All countries had a preferred winner, and all did all in their power to see that outcome. Members of both parties are in contact with all countries, It doesn't mean both candidates colluded with 100 countries each. Russian angle is being pushed by the Dems because they lost, and actually may* have had a substantial influence.
If Iran or someone else had had a more successful influence attempt do you think any of Hillary's would be cabinet members might have had contact with that foreign ambassador? It's likely. Does that mean Hillary conspired with them? No
I bet many Dems had contact with the world power that is China. You think China didn't try and influence the election outcome that most benefited them? So does every dem contact with that country come back to collusion with that attempted influence?
It's easy to go back and make connections with anyone when everyone talks to everyone. It's global politics, you have to have contact with other nations.
IMO
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:00 pm to TIGERSTORM
Julian Assange, he of the 100% perfect track record, says that the information came from a mole within the DNC and has strongly implied it was Seth Rich.
I trust him over anybody in the US intelligence community
I trust him over anybody in the US intelligence community
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:03 pm to TIGERSTORM
quote:
I don't know the answer to the Russia thing. It's a complicated issue but it seems to me that Russia wanted to influence the election in favor of Trump. So the question to me is why? They hate Hillary or they are pro Trump for what reason? It also seems that people in the Trump campaign were aware of this and had contact with Russia. Even if you are pro Trump you have to ask yourself why.
Not being sarcastic, but I would like to think Trump was trying to do an about face from all the rhetoric Obama caused with Russia over the last few years going back to his 'red-line'. Obama and the left have done everything in their power to piss off Russia nothing short of bombing them. They caused a coup in Ukraine and tried it in Syria.
The real f-ing question is why are the elite trying to antagonize Russia the last 4 years.
The elite doesn't want us at peace with Russia, that is a big no no. They will stop at nothing to deter this peaceful existence we could all have with a president who doesn't give ultimatums in 'red-lines' and hurl insults at a nuclear power like Obama did.
Trump actually could negotiate and I thought all these freaking years that is what the left wanted: to sit down and negotiate; we don't need war.
Now, they are the war party. Who'd a thunk it?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:05 pm to Ross
It seems to be more about what if's at this point.
The FBI might have something pertinent; lets hope this would not be fabricated and no one knows who'll benefit. The real fabrication appears to be dueling camps trying to foment doubt with unsupported claims (sources). To my knowledge nothing has ever been presented ... so .... can this nothing be fabricated?
The FBI might have something pertinent; lets hope this would not be fabricated and no one knows who'll benefit. The real fabrication appears to be dueling camps trying to foment doubt with unsupported claims (sources). To my knowledge nothing has ever been presented ... so .... can this nothing be fabricated?
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:14 pm to Lsuchs
quote:
Members of both parties are in contact with all countries, It doesn't mean both candidates colluded with 100 countries each.
It just seems to me that with the Trump campaign it was Russia everytime and they have lied about it when asked.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:22 pm to TIGERSTORM
quote:
It just seems to me that with the Trump campaign it was Russia everytime and they have lied about it when asked.
That isnt unreasonable. My only answer would be all politicians are inherently dishonest and avoid controversy at all costs.
When hillary's private server became an issue, Obama lied about knowing about the server.
When the media made Russia an issue all politicians avoid/lie about contact with Russia, even the left:
Pelosi
McCaskill
I don't agree with it, just how it seems to work.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:27 pm to awestruck
quote:
It seems to be more about what if's at this point.
This. They are presenting a hypothetical, applying it to Trump, and then attacking Trump over their hypothetical.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:29 pm to Ross
quote:
Russia is a smokescreen
So it seems.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:35 pm to Ross
quote:Over sensationalized, misleading and false.
Was anything that was leaked fabricated?
quote:Its about de-legitimatizing Trump's presidency, building a resistance movement and controlling the narrative in the media. Could you imagine if all the press had to report on were jobs numbers, cutting regulations, cutting taxes and the record breaking performance of the stock market? Re-election would be a given.
Is this whole controversy about the leaked documents during the election season or was there more that I'm missing?
quote:truth being the operative word. Also, context is everything in politics. Sessions responded to a question about contact with the Russians during the campaign and about campaign matters...not if he had ever had contact with the Russian ambassador.
I feel like people shouldn't be that upset over the truth coming to light.
quote:when you think in terms of "Its her turn", sabotaged primaries, controlled the media, having the current president campaigning for you, grab her by the pussy moments, etc...then have the FBI say the investigation is still ongoing (because she is fricking corrupt and there is no denying it) and hacked emails exposing your corruption for all of America to see? Yeah, Hillary supporters think it was stolen
I just don't get how this is being presented as a "stolen" election
quote:All branches of government have been corrupted. Obama has taken it to new levels. Trump is un-corruptible. He has frick you money and truly loves this country.
Is the argument that the GOP is just as corrupt, and just wasn't exposed?
quote:Democrats are hell bent on destroying this country and turning it into a European country where speech is censored and normal Americans are treated as a serf class to support and provide for the elite.
then what a sad state of affairs.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:39 pm to TidenUP
quote:
This. They are presenting a hypothetical, applying it to Trump, and then attacking Trump over their hypothetical.
It isn't hypothetical. If you watch Franken interacting with Sessions at the confirmation hearing you will see what it is they are implying. They believe that the intelligence community is holding evidence that Russia has blackmail against Trump and somehow Trump will be soft on Russia because of the blackmail. Either that or they truly believe Trump is lying to all of us and wishes this country to burn.
Wait, that is Obama.. Dang.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:44 pm to Ross
quote:
Was anything that was leaked fabricated?
Nope. The Democrats have not denied any of it, to my knowledge. They claim they have "evidence" from intelligence intercepts that Russia did it with Putin's approval and they've been trying to tie it to Trump ever since.
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