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re: Question about the definition of 'person' for anti-choicers

Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:07 am to
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:07 am to
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He is, and this board feeds him every damn day. Just ignore him. He'll go away eventually.


I have developed a (rough) pecking order of those of a Progressive/Liberal bent that I am willing to respond to. He truly does have a penchant for flawed logic and unsupported assertations. I am actually quite surprised that someone who is as educated as he claims to be cannot form/articulate better arguments.

I keep hoping but alas, no.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124195 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:10 am to
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EDIT - for Jesus believers - the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction.
That would leave Jesus as son of Mary, but not God. Perhaps still the stuff of miracles, just not the miracle in question. In the end, it is a matter of faith to which science has little offering.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:10 am to
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you should really start thinking these things out before typing


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thinking


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before typing


Key linkages, just in case you missed the point being made by Choctaw.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124195 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:15 am to
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If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join
You probably should stick with Astrophysics . . . . your area of "expertise."
The word you were looking for was "egg", not embryo.

Insofar as the egg and sperm become a 'person', that was exactly your origin. Had that embryo not implanted, you'd not exist.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:16 am to
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Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?

They accidentally their whole twin. That's all it means.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
18967 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:53 am to
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As a just recently fertilized egg is not a person under any reasonable definition - and a just about to be born baby is a person by any reasonable definition - it must happen somewhere in between.

Good, so you admit that you don't know when it becomes human life.

I agree.

It's probably best we play it safe, and quit terminating these lives.
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I was hoping to talk to anti-choicers.

What's that?
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If I had wanted to talk to pro-choicers I would have used the term "pro-choicer". Jeez.

No such thing.

These people you refer to are pro abortion.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
18967 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 11:54 am to
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The word you were looking for was "egg", not embryo.

Cut him a break.

He's really stupid.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64499 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:00 pm to
Your questions are not very good sir.
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If an embryo and sperm become a 'person' the instant they join - what becomes of that 'person' if it splits in two to form identical twins?


You answered it.

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Further - if someone absorbs a fraternal twin in utero (which is quite common actually) - is does that mean they are actually two people? Should they get two votes?


This one is just just um go...



You got a question above 3rd grade level?
I'm above 5th grade for reference.


Posted by OneFifty
No favorite team now
Member since Aug 2012
3872 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:07 pm to
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In the womb and in Alabama, yes.


Wow
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35474 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:10 pm to
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the scientific basis for a 'virgin birth' would be parthenogenic reproduction
Someone was watching "House".
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:15 pm to
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Someone was watching "House".




Really?
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9633 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:16 pm to
Why do you have to hide behind the word "Choice"?

The word Abortion too gruesome?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:18 pm to
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So i guess if "pro life" has turned into "anti choice", then you must be "anti-life".


I like life. Most people do.

I use the term "anti-choice" to distinguish those who like life but oppose abortion rights from those who like life but support abortion rights.

Sorry, did I often you?
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:19 pm to
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That would leave Jesus as son of Mary, but not God. Perhaps still the stuff of miracles, just not the miracle in question. In the end, it is a matter of faith to which science has little offering.


Are you suggesting that God has DNA and its male?

Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9633 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:20 pm to
You like life, until it gets in the way.

Go ahead, use Abortion. It's what it is.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:21 pm to
Ahh pro-choice...

Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:21 pm to
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I use the term "anti-choice" to distinguish those who like life but oppose abortion rights from those who like life but support abortion rights. Sorry, did I often you?



Did you what???

Drinking already i see....
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:22 pm to
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often


Offend.

Just trying to lend a hand to your insipid argument. Carry on.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29076 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:28 pm to
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SpidermanTUba



I'm pro-life for you. You must live. You have no choice. I am anti-your-choice to not live. I decree it. You must live...thee end. You have no say or choice in the matter.



Now ... please show us what a dedicated disciple of the liberal cause you are and respond accordingly...in any manner you choose.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59090 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 12:30 pm to
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He is, and this board feeds him every damn day. Just ignore him. He'll go away eventually.


I really don't understand why people feed him here so much. It's entertainment I guess.
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