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re: Pope condemns in clear terms legalisation of "recreational drugs"
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:00 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:00 pm to Antonio Moss
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He is not calling for the prohibition of alcohol - a drug - only warning against its abuse. Why, then, can that same position not be taken for other drugs? It seems like his position is either incomplete or hypocritical.
First, I would argue that alcohol can be enjoyed without substantially altering your state of mind. The same cannot really be said for other forms drugs.
Second, alcohol production is a craft that has been around for thousands of years. It can even be attributed to the expansion of human civilization.
Last, you are really ignoring what he is trying to say. His opinion is that there is no need for drugs, and that you should fill your time with more fruitful things.
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:04 pm to Bmath
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First, I would argue that alcohol can be enjoyed without substantially altering your state of mind. The same cannot really be said for other forms drugs.
Alcohol can substantial alter a person to a greater degree than marijuana.
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Second, alcohol production is a craft that has been around for thousands of years. It can even be attributed to the expansion of human civilization.
There is evidence of recreational marijuana use going back 3,000 years.
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Last, you are really ignoring what he is trying to say. His opinion is that there is no need for drugs, and that you should fill your time with more fruitful things.
I'm not ignoring his position. I'm accurately describing it as hypocritical or incomplete.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:05 pm to Bmath
quote:Reefer Madness!!
First, I would argue that alcohol can be enjoyed without substantially altering your state of mind. The same cannot really be said for other forms drugs.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:17 pm to Antonio Moss
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Alcohol can substantial alter a person to a greater degree than marijuana.
This is true. Which again would fall under alcohol abuse.
I'm not defending his opinion, I just disagree with the way he is being attacked.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:21 pm to TigerPride10
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So I guess wine will be eliminated from mass now, right?
It's not wine, it's blood you heathen.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:23 pm to Tom288
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It's not wine, it's blood you heathen.
Ah, I used to like fairy tales when I was a kid too. Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:26 pm to Bmath
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His opinion is that there is no need for drugs, and that you should fill your time with more fruitful things.
Having the Pope give people advice on how to spend their time wisely is like having having Paula Dean advising people to follow a healthy diet.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:32 pm to Tom288
Hilarious
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:51 pm to Bmath
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Hilarious
Even Catholics don't give a shite about what the Pope has to say. The only real exceptions being anti-condom, abstinence-only missionaries in Africa OR Bill Donohue who is practically insane.
Seriously, it's hard to think of another person who is anywhere near as irrelevant as the Pope yet gets that much news time.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 3:57 pm to Tom288
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Even Catholics don't give a shite about what the Pope has to say.
That's your opinion.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:01 pm to Bmath
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That's your opinion.
Premarital sex, masturbation, divorce, percentage of believers who don't believe in all sorts of things like transubstantiation, the virgin birth, etc.
I'm sure there are devout Catholics out there, but by and large they tend to wander. Hell, if you want drugs or a whore just find yourself a Catholic high school.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:08 pm to Bmath
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That's your opinion.
Every study on the matter bares that out, most catholics in America disagree with the church's official stance on multiple topics.
The overwhelming majority of catholics use birth control for instance.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Every study on the matter bares that out, most catholics in America disagree with the church's official stance on multiple topics.
Yet they remain Catholics in name much of the time even if they no longer attend church just for traditions sake. This is baffling.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:17 pm to Revelator
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Yet they remain Catholics in name much of the time even if they no longer attend church just for traditions sake. This is baffling.
The same goes for every denomination, the vast majority of America christians live and die in the same denomination they were raised in and many spend their whole lives disagreeing about certain doctrine. Thousands of baptists who enjoy a good beer attend churches that condemn drinking. Lots of closet homosexuals attend churches which condemn their "sin".
Religion is by its nature a buffet of sorts. With no substantial evidence for any of it, people are free to select what they eant to believe. Theres a reason there are no denominations when it comes to gravity or calculus.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:28 pm to Revelator
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Yet they remain Catholics in name much of the time even if they no longer attend church just for traditions sake. This is baffling.
According to polls the vast majority of Americans are Christians. But drive around your area on any given Sunday and you'll see that's obviously not the case.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:33 pm to Tom288
Most christians are cultural christians. They want to retain the beliefs of their youth and their christian heritage, but realize that in light of the modern day it simply isnt reasonable to take the belief too far because deep down most have serious doubts. It takes serious delusion to have no doubts in 2014 about a given faith.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:35 pm to Tom288
Ah yes, let's point out every fault of a church made up of men. Never mind all of the social services they provide.
People are so quick to bad mouth and generalize religion and their followers. Nevertheless, the religious give more per capita than their non religious counterparts.
People are so quick to bad mouth and generalize religion and their followers. Nevertheless, the religious give more per capita than their non religious counterparts.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:39 pm to Bmath
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Ah yes, let's point out every fault of a church made up of men.
You'd have a good point except for conversion is supposed to turn you into a new creature, filled with the Holy Spirit, and capable of rising above the flesh. Oh, and it's a shame you weren't around to educate Jesus on this problem so he could have skipped the whole plan of his followers being the light of the world and the means in which non-believers would come to see Him and the Father. But hey, go ahead and contradict Jesus, you're just making my job easier.
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Never mind all of the social services they provide.
The Mormons and Hezbollah have social services too. Has nothing to do with whether or not what they believe is true.
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People are so quick to bad mouth and generalize religion and their followers. Nevertheless, the religious give more per capita than their non religious counterparts.
Congratulations. They give away some money. What happened to giving away all of your possessions to the poor and following Christ? And they had better be giving, how many of the world's problems can be directly tied to religion (and if religion isn't the cause, it certainly exacerbates things)?
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:43 pm to Bmath
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Ah yes, let's point out every fault of a church made up of men. Never mind all of the social services they provide.
The catholic church has done many wonderful things. They are also one of the primary reasons why the AIDS rate is so high in Africa.
You have to take the good with the bad.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 4:58 pm to Tom288
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What happened to giving away all of your possessions to the poor and following Christ?
Who was Jesus speaking to at that moment?
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