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re: Political cartoon about eliminating funding for the National Endowment for the Arts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:17 am to germandawg
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:17 am to germandawg
Again I will ask you. Were you on this board outraged that Obama quadrupled Military spending in Europe?
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:19 am to Bench McElroy
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Spending $150 million on the National Endowment for the Arts is still a better bang for the buck than spending $10+ billion on yet another aircraft carrier.
Id like you to explain this statement.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:20 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Id like you to explain this statement.
Returns on investment are fairly easy so I would expect that you'll get a solid answer from this liberal.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:24 am to DawgsLife
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Did he not just tell Angela Merkel that Germany needed to get their obligations paid up to the UN? Are those the actions you are talking about?
That is a a fricking drop of rain in an ocean of money my friend....yes, it is a good thing....but they will pay up by increasing their military budget...that is where they are behind..they have committed to NATO to spend 2% of their GDP on Military spending....not to NATO but on their own military. The trouble is that no one defines what military spending means....so they can provide garbage service to communities with soldiers and call that military spending....they do, in fact, use military personell and resources as policemen all over the nation....so what Trump got Merkel to agree to, while not a bad idea in any manner...will do NOTHING to alleviate the fact that the US not only funds the lions share of NATO...ALONE....but also funds the world's security through direct military spending....it isn't just NATO it is the US Navy boasting about being a global force for good....which the Navy PR department realized right quick was too much of a lifting of the tent curtain for anyones' good.
Yes, Germany will up its military spending....by paying more for the education of engineers and doctors....you can't fight a war without engineers and doctors...and meet its commitments to NATO....so there will be more engineers in Germany to farm out to the US and more doctors also...and we are on an even playing field....you make the point more succintly that I ever could...
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:27 am to ShortyRob
quote:The collective knowledge of all of mankind
Link?
The answer you seek is right at your finger tips. It should be common sense but there is a severe lack of that in the world today.....but it is a simple matter of mathematics and not complicated mathematics at all....
If the rest of the world supports the arts...and they do...and you are paying for their security you are freeing up resources for them to support the arts...adding and subtracting....my 7 year old can do it....
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:28 am to germandawg
LOL. Welp. You folks let German hijack the thread which was good only real goal.
The only time he actually tried to address the NEA on its own merits, he said we have always funded the arts (we haven't) and implied we arts would suffer absent the NEA (they didn't)
Probably wise of him to change the subject
The only time he actually tried to address the NEA on its own merits, he said we have always funded the arts (we haven't) and implied we arts would suffer absent the NEA (they didn't)
Probably wise of him to change the subject
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:29 am to germandawg
quote:i notice you ignored that the NEA was created in 1965.
The collective knowledge of all of mankind
The answer you seek
Do you even attempt honest discussion? Ever?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:29 am to ShortyRob
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Do you even attempt honest discussion? Ever?
No.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:30 am to DawgsLife
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Again I will ask you. Were you on this board outraged that Obama quadrupled Military spending in Europe?
Outraged? No....have I been on this since the middle 80's???? Yes....I don't get outraged because I am not a teen aged girl....but yes, I have always been of the opinion that we spend too much on the military and not enough on ourselves....I dream of a world where just once the airforce must have a cake fair to pay for a new airplane...
I make a damn good living off military spending and I still recognize the incredible amount of waste involved....but as long as y'all are skeered enough to throw money at me I will take it....
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:31 am to germandawg
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If the rest of the world supports the arts...and they do...and you are paying for their security you are freeing up resources for them to support the arts...adding and subtracting....my 7 year old can do it
This would likely matter if at any point in this thread, i said anything about the ancillary subjects you'd prefer to talk about.
The NEA can be supported or not, on its own merits.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:31 am to DawgsLife
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Did military spending not go up under Obama, too?
Did you know that Obama sought to quadruple military spending in Europe?
Were you outraged by that, or were you ok with it since they could spend more on the arts?
LINK
Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama's administration said Tuesday it was seeking to expand U.S. military spending in Europe four-fold in a bid to reassure allies still unsettled by Russia's incursion into Ukraine.
See my other post to this idea of yours...
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:32 am to germandawg
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I will take it...
because you are a hypocrite. Can you admit it though? I doubt it.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:33 am to germandawg
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That is a a fricking drop of rain in an ocean of money my friend..
1. I'm not your friend. I've never met you.
2. You keep driveling on but you have yet to address my questions.
Civilized countries have always supported the arts. Again...show me where the government in Greece, Italy, the Netherlands etc. supported the arts through taxes in the 1500s and 1600s.
It was only in modern times that government thought it best to intervene and support the arts. But the classics? The "great societies that supported the arts" did not support the arts at all through government. They were supported voluntarily by private citizens.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:36 am to germandawg
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I dream of a world where just once the airforce must have a cake fair to pay for a new airplane...
So let's get this straight...you want the military to support themselves, but you want the arts to be supported by taxes.
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but as long as y'all are skeered enough to throw money at me I will take it....
It seems a bit hypocritical, though, don't you think? Shouldn't you be setting the example for the rest of us? You know, refusing the money that is being wasted? Or do you only give lip service to your ideals?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:38 am to germandawg
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If the rest of the world supports the arts...and they do...and you are paying for their security you are freeing up resources for them to support the arts...adding and subtracting....my 7 year old can do it....
Because the arts is the only thing they support with their money, right? So it all goes to the arts. Or, we could argue it goes to the less fortunate and none of it goes to the arts, right? I mean, you are choosing where the money goes, so why can't we?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:38 am to roadGator
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So you help facilitate wasteful spending. You are the ultimate hypocrite. That high horse you are on has three legs.
You damn skippy my friend....If I don't do it there are thousands lined up around the corner to take my place. Yes, when the military calls me and says they have several million dollars they want to spend on a project that could be done for 1/4 of that in the private sector I take your money!!!! It makes y'all warm and comfortable at night knowing that your money is on the wall.....
Why is it hypocritical though? I never pretended to be above the fray....hell I am neck deep in it and loving it....just like Haliburton and Raytheon and Blackwater and a host of others....I am not taking the moral high ground...just the opposite....I am in a fairly unique position to know from which I speak....
If the military cut its budget tomorrow and I were forced to work solely in the private sector I would be more than happy to do so, and more than able.....I have loads of contacts in the private sector and have ample opportunities today....it just isn't as lucrative! But if you beleive in supply side economics if the military budget is slashed then companies stateside would have more money to spend and they would be investing and there you go....
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:39 am to DawgsLife
I should have called him a virtue signaling hypocrite. My bad.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:40 am to germandawg
LOL. I knew you couldn't admit to being a hypocrite. You don't even see your hypocrisy. That's beyond virtue signaler. Damn.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:40 am to germandawg
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will do NOTHING to alleviate the fact that the US not only funds the lions share of NATO...ALONE....
Which is another reason conservatives want us out of NATO. So, I am guessing with your reasoning, that you are for our withdrawal from NATO?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:40 am to weagle99
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