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re: Police helmet camera captures fatal shooting. Albuquerque, NM
Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:51 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:51 pm to SammyTiger
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and he was camping out illegally somewhere
I can see why they brought at team and dogs.
OR,
I can see that they responded, saw he was a little off, escalated it to a point they handled it incorrectly and shot a man..for camping illegally.
They knew he was unstable prior to closing the gap or they wouldn't have had so many officers and assets there, yet they closed it anyway. All they had to do was wait for him to come down the hill, or not. They would rack up the OT if he stayed on top of the hill in his illegal camp ground. Then we could have put him in the electric chair for his transgression.
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Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:52 pm to smoke4life
Give the cops a break. They were aiming for the dog.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 10:55 pm to SammyTiger
quote:At least you admit that is the reason for the shooting.
But i forget the board is pro mentally ill armed drifter camping
I think there is some middle ground behind fluffing his pillow and shooting him in the back.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:22 pm to SammyTiger
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the moment before, probably when they decided to fire, he had just made a move at the dog handler.
You have got to stop, I actually spewed my drink onto the computer screen. It was murder, Payback for assaulting a cop in another incident.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:24 pm to bencoleman
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It was murder, Payback for assaulting a cop in another incident.
Now that is just complete assumption on your part that is not supported by any facts.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:25 pm to SammyTiger
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Apparently your right to self defense diminishes when you are a cop.
Cops are supposed to be trained to handle these events in a less than lethal manner. They have an incredible amount of training in situations like this that the average citizen doesn't.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Cops are supposed to be trained to handle these events in a less than lethal manner.
Not really.
A person is justified in using lethal force to protect themselves or others from serious bodily injury or death.
That does not change because someone puts on a badge.
Your right to protect yourself does not diminish due to a badge.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:47 pm to theenemy
The facts are that a man is dead, do you understand. Any dreams, hopes, or thoughts died with him. The facts are that he was trying to walk away. It really in the end doesn't matter why they murdered him, the truth is they just did. They all deserve to go to jail for a very long time.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:51 pm to SammyTiger
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he moment before, probably when they decided to fire, he had just made a move at the dog handler.
You do know that everyone else is looking at the same picture. The picture where the guy is yards away from any cop, and running uphill as he is being shot IN THE BACK.
You not a patriot?
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Was he a clear and present danger while he was running away I would say yes.
IDIOT
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:51 pm to theenemy
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That does not change because someone puts on a badge.
Your right to protect yourself does not diminish due to a badge.
That has very little to do with what I said.
Cops are trained in less than lethal force, and are trained (supposedly)in how to diffuse situations.
Just because you can kill someone doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:52 pm to SammyTiger
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There are definitely bad cops, and cops are people and people frick up.
Please find me a story online where you are critical of the cop and think he should be prosecuted.
I am sure there are some good cops. But the system is set up to turn good cops into bad cops. Anytime someone things they can act without consequences it changes things.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:53 pm to SammyTiger
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there are very few other professions where people kill you for what you do not who you are.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:55 pm to SammyTiger
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it was an response to another hyperbolic statement made by nova bill
Which was?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:56 pm to bencoleman
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It really in the end doesn't matter why they murdered him, the truth is they just did
Per the law, it does.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:58 pm to theenemy
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Your right to protect yourself does not diminish due to a badge.
No, but it sure does increase, according to cops.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:00 am to novabill
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But the system is set up to turn good cops into bad cops
I disagree.
I think the system is set up to make it hard to hire and retain good cops. Also, like teachers, it can be hard to fire bad cops.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Cops are trained in less than lethal force
Cops are trained in determining the correct level of force and applying that level of force. But what justifies lethal force for a citizen also justifies lethal force for a police officer as well.
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are trained (supposedly)in how to diffuse situations.
Not really. That is learned through experience.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:10 am to theenemy
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Also, like teachers, it can be hard to fire bad cops.
How hard is it to arrest a bad cop?
I am reminded of BR cop speeding in Denham Springs and another BR cop giving chase and calling for backup from the Livingston Sheriff's dept. That is until he found out the speeder (that was speeding fast enough to cause a cop that was out his jurisdiction to give chase) was a brother in blue, then he let him go and called off the support he had requested.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:13 am to theenemy
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Cops are trained in less than lethal force
Cops are trained in determining the correct level of force and applying that level of force.
Looks like the APD has a serious training issue.
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But what justifies lethal force for a citizen also justifies lethal force for a police officer as well.
I'd probably get prosecuted for shooting someone in the back.
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are trained (supposedly)in how to diffuse situations.
Not really. That is learned through experience.
Weird. The trooper academy here is totally different. Lethal force is used as a last resort.
The cop who shot first was recently fired from the State Troopers for misconduct. Great group of people they have down there.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 12:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Looks like the APD has a serious training issue.
Possibly....I've already said the video doesn't look like it is justified
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I'd probably get prosecuted for shooting someone in the back.
And they might be to. Just because their internal investigation ruled it justified does not mean the Feds or AG's office will agree.
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The trooper academy here is totally different. Lethal force is used as a last resort.
Then they are teaching it wrong. You use the force necessary to protect yourself or others. You don't have to work your way up the force continuum.
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