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Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:03 am to genro
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To disband would require conversion
Really, what about just following their religion properly and not skewing it?
Unless you are claiming that ANYONE who follows the Islamic religion is violent and needs to be converted
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:05 am to Lsut81
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Really, so him calling for conversion to Christianity or murder of another religious group due to differing views is better than ISIS how?
Wow. Way to twist it. He never mentioned their religious beliefs other than they want to exterminate us. So, when a group, no matter what their religious belief, wants to exterminate you what options do you have? Convert them into believing they shouldnt or kill them first?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:07 am to Lsut81
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Really, what about just following their religion properly and not skewing it?
So, what's your experience with mass cult transformations where the cult is violent? Done a lot of them?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:08 am to Lsut81
quote:Oh, you mean converting to a more moderate form of Islam?
Really, what about just following their religion properly and not skewing it?
quote:The Qu'ran is not like the Bible. I have studied both. I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim, and as much as you may counter with the Crusades and abortion clinic bombers, there is merit to the idea that Islam inherently lends itself to radicalism and violence more so than any other mainstream religion. The Qu'ran is very antagonistic to infidels in ways that other religious texts are not. Of course, the majority of Muslims are modernized and non-violent, but conservative radical Islam and religious fervor nearly always leads to violence, due to the straightforward antagonistic nature of Muhammad's word.
Unless you are claiming that ANYONE who follows the Islamic religion is violent and needs to be converted
I know that's not politically correct, but it's a fact. I do not believe Muslims are evil, or they should all be wiped out. I do believe that modernized Muslim leaders need to be much more proactive in shunning the radical aspects of their religion, and need to acknowledge the inherent violent nature of the text if taken literally.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:09 am to Lsut81
“You either have to convert them — which I think would be next to impossible. I’m not giving up on them, but I’m just saying, either convert them or kill them,”
If he said this then he sounds just like them. We Christians are not to kill or convert. We are commanded to spread the Gospel truth and salvation through Jesus Christ is that Gospel truth. Christians however do not convert anyone, as only the Holy Spirit brought to a person by God, can a person be turned and brought into HIS Kingdom. We do not have the right to kill anyone based on their belief non belief.
That is what Christians aught to get from their faith.
If he said this then he sounds just like them. We Christians are not to kill or convert. We are commanded to spread the Gospel truth and salvation through Jesus Christ is that Gospel truth. Christians however do not convert anyone, as only the Holy Spirit brought to a person by God, can a person be turned and brought into HIS Kingdom. We do not have the right to kill anyone based on their belief non belief.
That is what Christians aught to get from their faith.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:13 am to Cruiserhog
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this great Christian man is literally no different than radical Islamic fundamentalist at his core.
You are literally no different than a dumb arse.
Let me help:
A radical Islamic fundamentalist wants to kill innocent people. PR wants to kill the people killing innocent people.
Read the previous group of sentences 6 tims slowly. Don't hesitate to ask any questions that may arise.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:14 am to son of arlo
Let's be honest. The problem with ISIS is that they take their "God Manual" literally, and they are simply doing what they believe Allah has instructed them to do. It is an Islam problem. A lot of the leaders of ISIS are filthy rich, just like Bin Laden was, so they aren't beheading "infidels" because they're poor as hell and pissed off at the world. Whatever else you might say about them, they are TRUE BELIEVERS.
Where I would differ with (or add to) what Phil Robertson is saying, I would say, "Worship anyway you want, as long as you behave like peaceful, civilized human beings."
Of course, that isn't going to happen. Unfortunately, the only viable solution is to kill them. Even that option sucks, because there are millions upon millions of Muslims who are radical in there beliefs, and "we" are going to lose a lot of people in the necessary undertaking of defending ourselves.
One last thing about Phil Robertson. I like the guy, but he doesn't need to be a spokesman for anything. Taking his latest comments as an example, and I know he didn't mean it that way, but when he says we should "convert them or kill them," he sounds like he is saying the same thing as ISIS to the untrained ear. The difference is, Phil is only saying this because of the violence ISIS is committing. ISIS, on the other hand, is beheading and murdering innocent people simply because they don't believe in their version of Islam.
But, mark my words. Someone will come forward and imply that Robertson was talking about all Muslims.
Where I would differ with (or add to) what Phil Robertson is saying, I would say, "Worship anyway you want, as long as you behave like peaceful, civilized human beings."
Of course, that isn't going to happen. Unfortunately, the only viable solution is to kill them. Even that option sucks, because there are millions upon millions of Muslims who are radical in there beliefs, and "we" are going to lose a lot of people in the necessary undertaking of defending ourselves.
One last thing about Phil Robertson. I like the guy, but he doesn't need to be a spokesman for anything. Taking his latest comments as an example, and I know he didn't mean it that way, but when he says we should "convert them or kill them," he sounds like he is saying the same thing as ISIS to the untrained ear. The difference is, Phil is only saying this because of the violence ISIS is committing. ISIS, on the other hand, is beheading and murdering innocent people simply because they don't believe in their version of Islam.
But, mark my words. Someone will come forward and imply that Robertson was talking about all Muslims.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:14 am to themunch
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“You either have to convert them
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If he said this then he sounds just like them. We Christians are not to kill or convert.
You have to realize Phil wants to convert everyone to Christianity. If he had it his way everyone would be faithful followers of God. No surprise he would want to convert these people rather than the alternative of having to kill them before they kill us.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:15 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:Wrong. Islamic extremist want people to convert or kill them. Christians just want to spread the gospel. At some point you have to fight fire with fire. Fear of death is the primary motive being used to convert to Islam. Salvation is the primary motive to convert to Christianity.
my point is the phrase Holy War is ridiculous and just as evil as Jihad. is there a difference? Both sides want to kill everyone know not of their faith.
Death and eradication is the only thing the radical Muslims understand.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:16 am to Lsut81
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Convert them or kill them
That mindset is kind of how ISIS formed.
But I'm not surprised ole Phil doesn't see the stupidity in that statement.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:16 am to Lsut81
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Unless you are claiming that ANYONE who follows the Islamic religion is violent
Well...
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19% of American Muslims said suicide bombings are okay (2011).
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While 70% of U.S. Muslims view Al-Qaeda, which murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11, “very unfavorably,” the other 30% view Al-Qaeda favorably, only somewhat unfavorably, or don’t know/refused to answer
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35% of U.S. Muslims said they are not concerned about Islamic extremism around the world. 36% said there is a great deal/fair amount of extremism among U.S. Muslims. 40% said they are not concerned about Islamic extremism in the U.S.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:19 am to Lsut81
Convert them to radioactive ash.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:19 am to themunch
Notice he didn't say kill or convert Israelis or budhist or hindis.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:20 am to The Spleen
quote:What do you suggest we do? Just suck it up for a while and dear leader will eventually draw a line in the sand for us
But I'm not surprised ole Phil doesn't see the stupidity in that statement
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:20 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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You have to realize Phil wants to convert everyone to Christianity
But wait, I thought he wasn't talking about converting them to Christianity... Now you admit he is.
Look, I think ISIS needs to be eliminated. He is right in calling them thugs and calling for their murders for the atrocities that they have committed. My issue is that theres no reason to throw "Select a better religion or die" into it. It should simply be "Stop what you are doing or die".
That is all I am saying
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:21 am to Lsut81
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“Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson has a prescription for how to handle Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant militants: “Convert them or kill them.”
Phil Robertson doesn't want to wage any war at all - he wants others to wage it for him.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:23 am to The Spleen
The levels of reading comprehension in this thread scares me. These people who think PR was advocating a crusade of convert or die to all non-Christians were probably the same bunch outraged over Obama's tan suit.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:25 am to Rolltide10
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What do you suggest we do?
I honestly don't know. I don't think there's an easy, definitive answer on what to do other than doing all we can to reduce the risk of attack on our soil. I don't think we can ignore the fact that our actions have contributed to the problem, and naively think some of those same actions won't exasperate the problem.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:25 am to Lsut81
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Lsut81
You still dont get it. I would try to explain it to you but I would just be typing words others have already typed in this thread.
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