re: Personal Stories of ACA in WV, powerful article

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That's the essence of this important debate.

Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?

I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.

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Quite frankly the implications of what you are saying are terrifying. As long as there is a tragic story out there, we should never stop spending.

The problem is that viewpoint ends in even more tragedy. We will run out of money way before we run out of problems.

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So people can't make judgments based on the bill as it stands now?

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We can always revert back to the old narrative

Well meaning or not, I just think it's a massive political mistake to expect voters to vote for the interests of others. That will lose you election after election.

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12,284 of those visits were from patients on Medicaid, up from 5,674

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Medicaid is a State run program, not FedGov or Private Insurance. The cash behind it is both Fed and State but is State Administered.

Trump Plan expands the ability for the States to manage Medicaid better, eliminating much FedGov oversight (read Hoops to Jump Through).


So your article is not so much DC Beltway ACA as you thought. Oops, your gotcha gotcha!

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In 2016, 12,284 of those visits were from patients on Medicaid, up from 5,674 in 2013

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So the taxpayers paid for 6,610 more free visits.
We pay for 61.42% of the visits to this health provider.

So in reality Obamacare is just another welfare program paid for by the working families of America. It's just wrapped up to look like "health insurance"!

Now whenever someone tries to shrink a welfare program, big government leftists start yelling how mean and heartless it would be to take free-shite away! Example:

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Politics aside, these people are vulnerable and need help. We can disagree on how, but we all need to step back sometimes and realize that real people are going to be effected by this new healthcare law.

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So basically shut up, pay more for YOUR healthcare, because I think this new welfare program is great.

Your either a wolf in sheep's clothing promoting a hugely expensive and inefficient government welfare program, or you fell victim to their it feels good to give other people's money away for free-shite!

Either way.

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I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.

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Not mine.

I'm perfectly fine with them paying for what they want without demanding I help them when I get zero benefits from doing so.

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So in reality Obamacare is just another welfare program paid for by the working families of America. It's just wrapped up to look like "health insurance"!

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Welfare, when done right, has an essential role in upward economic mobility.

If you think that welfare should be abolished and not just reformed then we'll never agree on healthcare because we have completely different views on the role of government. And that's ok, we can disagree.

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Americans do need to be better educated on healthy lifestyle choices, but chronic health conditions can arise in otherwise healthy people too. I don't think you should be so quick to judge lest you find yourself in that situation some day.

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Christ on a crawfish. I'm overweight - but I pay for it - every bit of it. So I'm not going to sit here and chastise someone for poor health choices. But you can't consume 4000+ calories a day of fried shite and expect other people to pay the bill (except that you can). No one should have to be told that.

Having said that I see billboards in BR all the time about being healthy from OLOL or BRG. I see all sorts of education efforts going on. I'm sure the fedgov spends a lot of money on this.

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Having said that I see billboards in BR all the time about being healthy from OLOL or BRG. I see all sorts of education efforts going on. I'm sure the fedgov spends a lot of money on this.

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It should be taught in schools. Cut out the pizza, chicken nuggets, and soyburgers in school cafeterias. Replace the garbage that is served with most public school lunch with real food.

Then, have courses which emphasize as healthy diet and lifestyle. When I was in school, I vaguely remember learning some basic facts about the food pyramid but that was about it.

We should be providing people the means to make informed food choices rather than taking away what we deem bad for them.

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It should be taught in schools. Cut out the pizza and soyburgers in school cafeterias. Replace the garbage that is served with most public school lunch with real food. Then, have courses which emphasize as healthy diet and lifestyle. When I was in school, I vaguely remember learning some basic facts about the food pyramid but that was about it. We should be providing people the means to make informed food choices rather than taking away what we deem bad for them.

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Cmon man. People know that if you eat McDonalds, you get fat. They don't need to be educated on it. They're fat usually because they're lazy. Our poor people have incredibly high rates of obesity. And it's not because they don't know Ho Hos aren't part of a balanced diet.