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re: Once again the powers try to change the rules in midsteam. More SG politics,
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:47 pm to moneyg
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:47 pm to moneyg
The point is if you don't like how the governments money is being spent, elect better leaders. Apparently SG has done a poor job of electing metro councilmen to represent their interests.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:53 pm to Mickey Goldmill
moneyg doesn't live in St George.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:54 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The point is if you don't like how the governments money is being spent, elect better leaders.
St. George would prefer to incorporate and not have to fight the battle of having the Baton Rouge budget supplemented with parish funds. I really can't blame them.
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Apparently SG has done a poor job of electing metro councilmen to represent their interests.
See above. Even if true, that makes no difference.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:54 pm to LSURussian
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moneyg doesn't live in St George.
correct
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:55 pm to LSURussian
I meant generally speaking. That's at all levels of government. Don't like the budget, elect new leaders.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:56 pm to moneyg
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Even if true, that makes no difference.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I meant generally speaking. That's at all levels of government. Don't like the budget, elect new leaders.
As it relates to whether or not St. George can or should incorporate, it is irrelevant.
And, it does nothing to counter Antonio Moss' point.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
So we can't ever incorporate because we have representatives on the metro council?
So BR should unincorporate? Central? Baker ? Zachary?
Your argument makes no sense.
SG represents about a quarter of the parish 's population. The city about a half. I wouldn't expect our councilmen to get their way. We are outnumbered.
But the constitution of the state provides a method for citizens to incorporate. It doesn't say we can incorporate if our council members protest the budget. It doesn't say we can't incorporate if we are in a consolidated govt . It says we can petition to invorporate and if the petition receives the minimum support a vote is to be taken by the voters inside the proposed incorporated area and the majority rules.
Now we see moratoriums, new election rules and attempts to annex key areas of SG.
What does the parish budget have to do with the will of the citizenry in SG? Nothing.
So BR should unincorporate? Central? Baker ? Zachary?
Your argument makes no sense.
SG represents about a quarter of the parish 's population. The city about a half. I wouldn't expect our councilmen to get their way. We are outnumbered.
But the constitution of the state provides a method for citizens to incorporate. It doesn't say we can incorporate if our council members protest the budget. It doesn't say we can't incorporate if we are in a consolidated govt . It says we can petition to invorporate and if the petition receives the minimum support a vote is to be taken by the voters inside the proposed incorporated area and the majority rules.
Now we see moratoriums, new election rules and attempts to annex key areas of SG.
What does the parish budget have to do with the will of the citizenry in SG? Nothing.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:04 pm to moneyg
I believe Russian does not either.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:05 pm to moneyg
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not have to fight the battle of having the Baton Rouge budget supplemented with parish funds.
Bull shite. The CP councilmen from the unincorporated areas of the parish KNOW the budget treats their constituents fairly.
That's why not a single one of them, including Mayor Pro-Tem Chandler Loupe whose entire district is St George, made ZERO comments on the budget when it was voted on last December.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:09 pm to LSURussian
So what!!!!!
The goal is an ISD. The goal wasn't to change the budget.
BR is saying they'll be short 50+ million if SG incorporates. Not me, not the leaders of SG.
If things are as fair as you tell us they are then BR won't miss a beat when SG leaves.
The goal is an ISD. The goal wasn't to change the budget.
BR is saying they'll be short 50+ million if SG incorporates. Not me, not the leaders of SG.
If things are as fair as you tell us they are then BR won't miss a beat when SG leaves.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:11 pm to doubleb
*sigh*
You're talking in circles again. I'm going to ignore it.
You're talking in circles again. I'm going to ignore it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:12 pm to LSURussian
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Bull shite. The CP councilmen from the unincorporated areas of the parish KNOW the budget treats their constituents fairly.
That's why not a single one of them, including Mayor Pro-Tem Chandler Loupe whose entire district is St George, made ZERO comments on the budget when it was voted on last December.
So, I guess you are saying the 50M transfer of funds is reasonable. I guess you are entitled to that opinion.
But, It seems to me that St. George residents disagree. And, I don't blame them.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:14 pm to moneyg
Lots of talking in circles. Y'all say "so what" when the fairness claims were brought up by y'all. If it's only about school, then don't complain about the funneling of money issues.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:17 pm to LSURussian
You are creating a false issue.
You say the budget is fair . I'm saying do what nobody on the SG leadership is saying they want to invorporate because of the current budget that you declare fair.
I'm not going to debate fairness with you. That term is highy subjective, but I will say the BR city folk say they will be a big loser without SG tax revenues. Not me.
The issue is whether or not SG people should be allowed to follow the current laws and not have people in power throwing raid blocks in their way and deprive them of a basic right we all in this state have enjoyed.
Ignore what I am saying, but people see basic rights are at stake here.
You say the budget is fair . I'm saying do what nobody on the SG leadership is saying they want to invorporate because of the current budget that you declare fair.
I'm not going to debate fairness with you. That term is highy subjective, but I will say the BR city folk say they will be a big loser without SG tax revenues. Not me.
The issue is whether or not SG people should be allowed to follow the current laws and not have people in power throwing raid blocks in their way and deprive them of a basic right we all in this state have enjoyed.
Ignore what I am saying, but people see basic rights are at stake here.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:19 pm to doubleb
Claims of fairness regarding the allocations of money in the city-parish budget is something brought up by SG supporters here. Not the other way around.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I've never said anything about fairness. You and Russisn keep telling everybody the process us fair and we should accept it.
But the budget has never been the key issue on the SG side, but it is apparent it us on the anti SG side. After all it's your people who are crying about losing over 50 million dollars in tax revenues. Not me or my side .
But the budget has never been the key issue on the SG side, but it is apparent it us on the anti SG side. After all it's your people who are crying about losing over 50 million dollars in tax revenues. Not me or my side .
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:24 pm to moneyg
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So, I guess you are saying the 50M transfer of funds is reasonable. I guess you are entitled to that opinion.
Thank you for giving me permission to have an opinion.
The intergovernmental transfer is a smokescreen put out there by unknowledgeable, low information voters. The budget is filled with money flowing between the "parish" and the "city."
There is no screwing of the unincorporated area by the city. In fact, the SG area pays a small fraction of the total property taxes paid in EBR. Not a single one of the top ten property tax payers are in St George. Take out the sales & gambling taxes collected from shoppers/gamblers from all over the area at the MoL, L'Auberge & Perkins Rowe (which is going to happen) and St George has a miniscule tax base compared to the parish as a whole.
This is the last time I will repeat these obvious facts.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:26 pm to moneyg
Money the fairness thing isn't even a real issue except the anti SG folks keep whining about the money they are losing and they keep telling us to shut up and be satisfied because our officials who are severely outnumbered didn't protest the budget .
It is a red herring. The issue is schools and local control.
The anti SG people aren't going to let that happen.
It is a red herring. The issue is schools and local control.
The anti SG people aren't going to let that happen.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:27 pm to doubleb
From Antonio Moss:
My side isn't bringing this up. SG is.
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Because the City of Baton Rouge will no longer be able to siphon $46 million a year for their benefit from the unincorporated tax payer.
My side isn't bringing this up. SG is.
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