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Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:07 pm to roadGator
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Is against the law for a very good reason.
Nah, it's against the law because it results in revenue for the city/county/state. "speeding" was anything over 55 until it wasn't, which is just an example of how arbitrary it is. Reckless endangerment is a separate issue.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:10 pm to Beessnax
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Yeah, I see your point. Nothing but a way to make more revenue, which doesn't get spent on making the environment safe for our officers.
Pretty much. Cops would be safer if they weren't over tasked selectively enforcing laws against victimless crimes. So would the general population. Win/win.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:11 pm to MrCarton
Nah. Speeding is a factor in about 1/3 of traffic fatalities.
Blaze away, just stop speeding please. My kids are on the road with you fools driving too fast.
Blaze away, just stop speeding please. My kids are on the road with you fools driving too fast.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:12 pm to tigersbh
Wrong thread.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:13 pm to MrCarton
quote:Not really arbitrary. The national speed limit was set to 55 during the gas crisis. It was the most efficient speed, but smaller cars and additional "overdrive" gears made higher speeds more economical.
"speeding" was anything over 55 until it wasn't, which is just an example of how arbitrary it is.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:14 pm to MrCarton
No, it's against the law because some knucklehead, going 30 MPH over the limit, loses control of his vehicle. The result is him killing your wife and kids because he swerved into oncoming traffic. Speed laws are there for a reason.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:16 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Then no cops have to die ever.
This should be the goal - not the sacrifice of good policemen and countless future victims of the disgusting criminal element that your ideology has saddled society with.
"My" disgusting ideology would result in a safer environment for police officers and massively decreased costs.
If the goal of the police is that none die or get injured, then we don't need police. It becomes a self licking ice cream cone, existing merely to exist. The goal should be to provide a service of some type, one that you statists claim can only be performed by government. So now you are saying that this wonderful "service" is simply not dying. Incredible. here is an idea, how about we get rid of the police so that none of them die? Mission accomplished Amirite?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:19 pm to Chief Rocka
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No, it's against the law because some knucklehead, going 30 MPH over the limit, loses control of his vehicle. The result is him killing your wife and kids because he swerved into oncoming traffic. Speed laws are there for a reason.
Logic fail. Reckless driving is a legitimate crime and a separate issue. Speeding is not a crime in and of itself, but can be a component of reckless driving. This is really simple.
Driving 75 on the interstate is not reckless, yet at any moment a driver could lose control and kill a bus full of pregnant nuns. But until one has actually threatened this behavior, or performed it, it's not a crime.
The speed limit was once 55, now it's much higher than that. So tell me, did everyone simply become better drivers, or is this just an arbitrary rule with no logical basis?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:20 pm to mmcgrath
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Not really arbitrary. The national speed limit was set to 55 during the gas crisis. It was the most efficient speed, but smaller cars and additional "overdrive" gears made higher speeds more economical.
I am aware of that. So when one was driving 70 20 years ago, did they write him up for "driving inefficiently" or reckless driving?
Again, these numbers are arbitrary.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:23 pm to roadGator
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Nah. Speeding is a factor in about 1/3 of traffic fatalities.
Blaze away, just stop speeding please. My kids are on the road with you fools driving too fast.
I have never gotten a speeding ticket. You know what is a factor in all car wrecks? cars. But owning a car isn't a crime, nor is it a violation of anyone's rights. If someone is driving recklessly, they should be stopped, and speed can certainly be a factor in that. But someone can drive 15 mph and be reckless, or 90 and not be reckless. It's not hard to understand this.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:25 pm to MrCarton
LOL. No speed limits. Gotcha. 
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I don't see how any of you have any reference here, as this article is low on information/detail and high on informal speculation on the readers part.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:27 pm to MrCarton
quote:You keep saying that even though I pointed out the reason why it was set to 55 in the first place.
I am aware of that. So when one was driving 70 20 years ago, did they write him up for "driving inefficiently" or reckless driving?
Again, these numbers are arbitrary.
I would say speeding enforcement is arbitrary. In some places you can drive 20 miles over a speed limit and others will give you a ticket going over by 10.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:28 pm to roadGator
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LOL. No speed limits. Gotcha
You should drive 55 on the interstate, because in the 90s driving 70 was reckless. cause you know, the children.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:31 pm to mmcgrath
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You keep saying that even though I pointed out the reason why it was set to 55 in the first place.
Good lord man. What was the ticket for if someone were driving 70 in a 55 in the 1990s? Using too much gas? Why is it legal to drive 70 today? because gas? What about before the 90s?
These laws are absolutely arbitrary. I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with that.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:35 pm to MrCarton
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Nah, it's against the law because it results in revenue for the city/county/state. "speeding" was anything over 55 until it wasn't, which is just an example of how arbitrary it is. Reckless endangerment is a separate issue.
Interstate speed limits went to 55 in an effort to save gasoline after the '73 oil embargo. It went back up later.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:36 pm to roadGator
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No speed limits.
I don't think anyone is saying that. The problem begins after the stop. The cop is going to ask the usual questions "where are you going, where are you coming from", "can I look in the car"... From an constituonal rights perspective, the government really can't expect an answer, but they ask that anyway. And then the game begins, searching the car, running id for warrants,etc. Bad guys know they are in trouble, so violence occurs. All things that really aren't necessary in giving someone a speeding ticket.
Why not just ticket the driver, and leave everything else alone? No reason to search the vehicle. They can't just show up at your door and demand to search your house (without a warrant of course). Nobody cares if the thug in the back is holding weed. It's damn sure not worth losing a cop over it because said thug ain't goin back to prison.
Just give the ticket and skip all the inquisition. Would be a much safer world for everyone.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:37 pm to reo45
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I don't see how any of you have any reference here, as this article is low on information/detail and high on informal speculation on the readers part.
Easy.
Many people don't limit themselves to the linked articles in these threads for information.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:38 pm to tigersbh
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Interstate speed limits went to 55 in an effort to save gasoline after the '73 oil embargo. It went back up later.
That has no impact on the enforcement aspect of this issue. Before the gas crisis, there were speed limits that were enforced under the premise that exceeding them was dangerous. During the crisis, they were enforced for the same reason, when magically the most efficient top speed for gas consumption was also the "safe" speed for drivers. Now, we can drive 70, which was reckless driving in the 1990s. Because gas?
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