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re: Officer killed after using stun gun

Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:44 pm to
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No speed limits.


I don't think anyone is saying that


I'm saying that speeding is not a crime in and of itself and it should not be ticketed. nor should someone, having committed no crime, be stopped, detained, questioned, have his vehicle searched, and be issued a ticket or be forced to go to jail.

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Why not just ticket the driver, and leave everything else alone? No reason to search the vehicle. They can't just show up at your door and demand to search your house (without a warrant of course). Nobody cares if the thug in the back is holding weed. It's damn sure not worth losing a cop over it because said thug ain't goin back to prison.


my problem with this is that if we think speeding is dangerous, why are we letting people continue driving after we stop them for being dangerous? Just making ticketing an automated procedure is the height of hypocrisy. Though I tend to agree that it would be safer for police.

*slightly hyperbolic in terms of hypocrisy involved, but you get the idea. It's about revenue not safety. Nobody needs a speed limit to recognize reckless driving and put a stop to it. If someone can just continue on their way after speeding, they clearly dont represent much of a threat.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139779 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:00 pm to
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You should drive 55 on the interstate, because in the 90s driving 70 was reckless. cause you know, the children.


The 55 rule had little to do with public safety.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:07 pm to
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The 55 rule had little to do with public safety.


Exactly!

Of course, recklessly consuming gas fines were a big deal back then. Could even get jail time for the slightest bit of fuel inefficiency!
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
21827 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:07 pm to
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Had this officer used a real gun he would likely be alive today.


Wrong.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76173 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:15 pm to
Why didn't the cop shoot him in the leg! Or his gun hand!
Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
10219 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:15 pm to
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That has no impact on the enforcement aspect of this issue. Before the gas crisis, there were speed limits that were enforced under the premise that exceeding them was dangerous. During the crisis, they were enforced for the same reason, when magically the most efficient top speed for gas consumption was also the "safe" speed for drivers. Now, we can drive 70, which was reckless driving in the 1990s. Because gas


The faster you go the higher the rate of accidents and death. You have to strike a balance or we would be going 1 mph. We have set it to 70 in most states.

btw, a speeding ticket isn't a reckless driving ticket. A reckless driving ticket is a reckless driving ticket.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:20 pm to
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These laws are absolutely arbitrary. I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with that.



I totally with you on this point. We should all have the option of obeying laws we agree with. I like to drive fast. Why should I be prevented from doing that because of some arbitrary money generating law?

What about the red light foolishness? If there isn't any body coming why do I have to just sit there?

I like nice things but if I grab and run in a department store I get arrested. What is up with that? If I disagree with shoplifting laws, I should be free to ignore them.

Arbitrary laws hurt all of us.

Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:40 pm to
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The faster you go the higher the rate of accidents and death. You have to strike a balance or we would be going 1 mph. We have set it to 70 in most states.


But before it was 70 it was...

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btw, a speeding ticket isn't a reckless driving ticket. A reckless driving ticket is a reckless driving ticket.


Not sure where you are going with this...
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:45 pm to
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I totally with you on this point. We should all have the option of obeying laws we agree with. I like to drive fast. Why should I be prevented from doing that because of some arbitrary money generating law?

What about the red light foolishness? If there isn't any body coming why do I have to just sit there?

I like nice things but if I grab and run in a department store I get arrested. What is up with that? If I disagree with shoplifting laws, I should be free to ignore them.

Arbitrary laws hurt all of us.




What a massive pile of stupid. I'm guessing you are a cop.
Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
10219 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:48 pm to
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The faster you go the higher the rate of accidents and death. You have to strike a balance or we would be going 1 mph. We have set it to 70 in most states.


But before it was 70 it was..


The motivation to go to 55 was not to lower accidents and fatalities.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:04 pm to
:jump2: :jump2:
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:10 pm to
An incident happened with me that is so surreal with cops that it puts this story to shame.

I personally have encountered a situation with 2 cops and the subsequent threats I received from the local sheriff's office after they were exposed by a former employee that would make your hair stand up.

Not all cops are good. Stories can be twisted and made to make the "bad" guy the "good" guy and vice-versa.

If anyone knows what a "brush-ticket" is then you may be onto what I'm talking about. These cops broke the law and used my private property as sanctum to do their work.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:14 pm to
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Yeah, the police are the problem. Sure they are.
Sometimes they are the problem

* the man calls 911 due to shots fired
* male cop demands get he on the ground
* Disabled man says he cannot due to physical disability (looks legit)
* male cop is okay with that
* female cop is having none of that and tases him
* Hits head on the ground
* he dies a week later due to complications from being tased and hitting his head
* Of course, no charges for the lady POS cop


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On March 6, 2015 James F. Sizer of Austin, Texas called 911 to report “gun shots fired” to the police. Cops showed up moments later, and tased the elderly, disabled man, causing hm to fall and fatally hit his head. Trigger happy female officer Martha Cameron who murdered Mr. Sizer did not face charges.

According to police report, officer Cameron arrived at Mr. Sizer’s house located on the 11900 block of Bittern Hollow, and demanded he get down on the ground. She then noted in the report that Mr. Sizer failed to comply, leading to her using a taser on him.

After knocking him down, the cops interrogated the bleeding man and took him to jail. He died on March 14 at his home from complications caused by the use of the taser.

It’s obvious – this physically disabled old man who was standing still on his own property was a threat to the officer’s precious safety. Making the cops come off of donut break is a death sentence in police states.


Video

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139779 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:23 pm to
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Could even get jail time for the slightest bit of fuel inefficiency!


Not sure of your need to over exaggerate? It's just out of your disdain for police officers?
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
9130 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:28 pm to
There is a whole other benefit that the government gets by raising the speed limit as well. Cars going 70 burn more fuel than cars going 55. More fuel equals more tax dollars generated. They get us in all ways possible.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:28 pm to
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Let's just not pursue anyone that runs from the police. Then nobody has to die, ever.


Lets just legalize everything. That way there will be no crimes of any kind. Who could be against this?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42517 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:41 pm to
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Pretty much. Cops would be safer if they weren't over tasked selectively enforcing laws against victimless crimes. So would the general population. Win/win.

Now this I whole-heartedly agree with you on.

However - that is not the policeman's fault - that is the fault of the politicians.

If it is a law, the police are obligated to enforce it.

And the citizenry who vote the politicians into office need to respect the job they have demanded that the policemen perform.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Let's just drone strike everyone that runs from the police.


That would make LIVE PD even better.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:48 pm to
The cops and prison guard's already get off for boiling people alive or executing the innocent. The US should do like the Chinese do when they justifiably harm someone. Execute them or hard labor
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35361 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:52 pm to
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There is a whole other benefit that the government gets by raising the speed limit as well. Cars going 70 burn more fuel than cars going 55. More fuel equals more tax dollars generated. They get us in all ways possible.
Most cars nowadays are more efficient driving at 65-70 than they are at 55.
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