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re: Obama- group moves to block Trump voting commission from collecting data
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:24 pm to Jbird
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:24 pm to Jbird
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How would you figure out if multiple voters voted in multiple states otherwise?
Well that is not easy to do, but as I told you based on fuzzy matching the false positive rate would go full retard.
The Constitution left elections up to the states with few federal requirements. I do not see how putting this commission in charge of election data management and policing is the right solution for anyone concerned about where that sort of thing leads.
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:25 pm to Pigimus Prime
quote:I will ask you one more time, link to this permanent federal data management you keep referring to?
I do not see how putting this commission in charge of election data management and policing is the right solution for anyone concerned about where that sort of thing leads.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:25 pm to Jbird
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Thanks, seems odd I can buy your data, you know nothing about me, but you are concerned about someone else requesting the same data.
What data of mine can you buy? I am not selling anything...
I am not concerned about them getting it the proper way like the rest of us, I have said that over and over. It is what they planned to do with that concerns me. They can certainly do as much as states and courts allow, I still think it is a bad idea and slippery slope.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:27 pm to Pigimus Prime
quote:So you didn't vote and aren't registered to vote?
What data of mine can you buy? I am not selling anything...
quote:How so?
I still think it is a bad idea and slippery slope.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:29 pm to Jbird
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I will ask you one more time, link to this permanent federal data management you keep referring to?
The server is in the letter.
Best part is this is what happens when I click on the server link:
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:30 pm to Pigimus Prime
I use amrdec.
Where is the permanent data management in that link?
Where is the permanent data management in that link?
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:33 pm to Jbird
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So you didn't vote and aren't registered to vote?
Oh I see, you meant that my record is in the voter file and not that I am actually selling something. Of course, buy all the voter files you want. I am not sure how that relates to this commission doing fuzzy matching and juvenile data management.
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How so?
For the same reason a firearms database would be. It is more power in the hands of the federal government all based on Trump's 3 million phantom voters backed up by a few dozen cases in von Spakovsky's database at Heritage.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:34 pm to Jbird
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I use amrdec.
Well we can keep debating, but as an aside do you get that message every time you access it?
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:34 pm to Pigimus Prime
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It is more power in the hands of the federal government
A one time commission to look into possible voter fraud. Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:35 pm to Pigimus Prime
quote:Nope and never have I while uploading larges amounts of DOD data, but then again I don't go to the welcome.aspx
Well we can keep debating, but as an aside do you get that message every time you access it?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:36 pm to Jbird
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A one time commission to look into possible voter fraud.
Stored on open, seemingly hacked, servers and merged with data from other agencies. How else would they fuzzy match? Then it will be sitting there for the next commission, perhaps one with more competence that you do not love quite so much.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:38 pm to Pigimus Prime
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Stored on open, seemingly hacked, servers and merged with data from other agencies
No not Hillary open servers. Since I have access to amrdec.
Q: What is SAFE?
The AMRDEC Safe Access File Exchange is an application for securely exchanging files. Since many organizations that do business with AMRDEC limit the size of attachments that can be sent via email, SAFE was created as an alternative file sharing method to email and FTP.
Q: Who can use SAFE?
Safe is intended for the use of all within the AMRDEC community (employees and contractors). Anyone can use SAFE to send files to someone with a .mil or .gov email address, however, only users with valid DoD Common Access Card (CAC) can send files to other addresses such as .com or.edu.
Q: What are the Army Information Assurance Authorizations/Certifications?
SAFE is a part of the Aviation and Missile RDEC Unclassified LAN Infrastructure (AMRULI), which is registered under Army Portfolio Management Number DA60213.
The Aviation and Missile RDEC Unclassified LAN Infrastructure (AMRULI) has Authority To Operate (ATO) for AMRULI v2.0 at the MAC II Sensitive level effective 15 May 2017 with an ATD of 14 Nov 2017. The ATD will be extended upon completion of minor POA&M and topology updates.
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Then it will be sitting there for the next commission, perhaps one with more competence that you do not love quite so much.
Again no link to the permanency of this program.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:41 pm to roadGator
quote:
Obama- group moves to block Trump voting commission from collecting data
What are they hiding?
A lot.....
Without legitimate accurate data there is no telling how much illegal voting related activity has has taken place in blue states that proudly support sanctuary cities/states.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:46 pm to ChewyDante
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Because they were "chilled" by the very inquiry.
Well, they got off easy. They should have been ICE'd, not chilled.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:48 pm to Jbird
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No not Hillary open servers.
I hate that bitch too, but how is it relevant? Why are all points seemingly couched with undertones of what the other side from the one you are on does, and why do you try to keep putting me on sides that I am not? It undermines the discussion.
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Again no link to the permanency of this program.
Of course this commission is not permanent, hell I just saw on the front page the Bannon says Trump only has a 30% chance of lasting the term.
Having said that, actions at the federal level are rarely undone, and one misdeed by partisans begets another by their counterparts.
Let's put this all another way if you will allow me. My point on this Commission from the outside (admittedly, we are drifting) was that there are instances that deserve investigation, but far fewer than 3 million. I personally believe that there are better ways to do it. First, assembling a commission of hyper-partisans with axes to grind is a bad idea. Second, there needs to be at least one data scientist and at least one computer scientist involved. No on the commission (I have met each of them and been to the most recent meeting in NH) has any skills on big data management, and they admit that. Third, there needs to be a plan for how the data will be used and stored, and how any previously unreleased private information will be handled. Fourth, there simply needs to be more nonpartisans and bipartisans involved—otherwise these things break down and my discussions with the commissioners suggest that they may not make any further progress. Fifth, there was no plan in place for how any issues found would be managed. I can go on but the issue is not with the notion of getting data, using data, or investigating issues. It is that is was all executed quite poorly and I am concerned about that.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:55 pm to Pigimus Prime
quote:But you used as an example amrdec as some non secure server farm, nothing further from the truth, earlier you stated they should have followed proper procedures to procure the data form each state. You seem to be awfully fixated on the makeup of this comission, faur enough. So you seem intimately involved in the state level process, but claim there are very few incidences, in the dozens as you claimed. How would you know that at your level other than from new sources?
Let's put this all another way if you will allow me. My point on this Commission from the outside (admittedly, we are drifting) was that there are instances that deserve investigation, but far fewer than 3 million. I personally believe that there are better ways to do it. First, assembling a commission of hyper-partisans with axes to grind is a bad idea. Second, there needs to be at least one data scientist and at least one computer scientist involved. No on the commission (I have met each of them and been to the most recent meeting in NH) has any skills on big data management, and they admit that. Third, there needs to be a plan for how the data will be used and stored, and how any previously unreleased private information will be handled. Fourth, there simply needs to be more nonpartisans and bipartisans involved—otherwise these things break down and my discussions with the commissioners suggest that they may not make any further progress. Fifth, there was no plan in place for how any issues found would be managed. I can go on but the issue is not with the notion of getting data, using data, or investigating issues. It is that is was all executed quite poorly and I am concerned about that.
quote:You claimed amrdec is wide open and easily hacked, I stated that it isn't a hillionaire like server.
I hate that bitch too, but how is it relevant?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:07 pm to Jbird
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How would you know that at your level other than from new sources?
Haha what is "my level" and what new sources do you mean? I have not put a timeline on any sources, new or old. I am involved in state-level election work with a number of states but I also do contract work for EAC and FVAP from time to time. I do not know every instance of fraud, I just know that I have worked with states on improving systems and thus far have not come across more than several dozen cases each election year. Again, I linked to the most hawkish outfit on this issue—Heritage—and they can only find 1,008 total cases from 2016 and only a handful involve actual voting issues. List maintenance and non-eligible registration are also important but they still happen at a fractional rate than is claimed by all but 4 of the commissioners.
I have told you I am no expert on amrdec but have questioned the notion that the military is the best place to store data. I also received a suspicious message when going to to the link which undermines any confidence I have in Kobach to manage data—beyond what he has said in the meetings.
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You claimed amrdec is wide open and easily hacked, I stated that it isn't a hillionaire like server.
To be clear, beyond the issue above my point was that Kobach said all of the data would be publically available, which means that any post-fuzzy matching he tried in Excel on his KS-issued windows XP computer would also be fair game—wherever it was stored. Any data, unmergeable and fragmented is safer than data improperly managed but merged nonetheless. Just ask the idiots at OPM, I was part of the hack and would prefer to not be involved in any others.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:00 pm to Jbird
Wonder what they're trying to hide if there's no fraud?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:37 pm to deltaland
quote:this is the $64,000 question.
Wonder what they're trying to hide if there's no fraud?
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