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re: Not sure how I feel about the forthcoming nfrastructure stimulus.

Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:32 am to
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:32 am to
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Obama's shovel ready stimulus stimulated union bosses pockets and had little impact on the country.





It also impacted employees lives...the number projects that were funded by the stimulus is mind boggling...and the number of contractors who made money and employees who made money is staggering...Keynes works and thank God we have a President who gets it and enough people on both sides of the aisle now who knows that Government spending is very good for the economy!!!! We have finally reached a point in the history of this country where the people have realized they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury! We are finally on the brink of making this nation great again!!! Cut taxes and spend money like we print it....we can by god borrow our way to prosperity....it just takes the proper mind set!!!!
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:34 am to
i am with Trump on this one.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:37 am to
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Fiscal conservatism isn't just about spending less. It's about spending in ways which result in more government income in the future. There are tons of things which need to be cut long before ceasing to spend money on critical infrastructure.




Nod nod wink wink....I'll play along my friend....I don't care what the money is spent on....just borrow it and spend it....if y'all need to feel like it is fiscally conservative to do so go ahead...if it makes you happy it can't be that bad!!!! We are finally all on the same page....Keynes is right....austerity be damned...cut taxes, borrow money and spend like a drunken sailor, and tell the rest of the world they can kiss our rusty red buttocks....they are on their own....we aren't making this country great again we are making it truly great for the first time!!!!! Our greatness in the past was based on good works....it will be based in reality this time around...and in reality strength is all that matters and there has never been a stronger nation....
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:37 am to
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but I can't name one single thing that it bought which benefitted me.

Whose fault is it you didn't open a solar panel factory with kickback money from little barry? It was there for all.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 7:41 am
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:39 am to
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Obama's spending re 'Infrastructure' ("shovel-ready jobs") was little more than a slush fund for Dem Operatives/Organizations. Trump's will be the real deal.

We'll see, congress has to pass a bill and they historically pad the hell out of pet projects.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 7:48 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34883 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:56 am to
The Ideological difference between Obama and Trump is polar, FL. Obama sees 'community organizing' as an essential aspect of 'infrastructure' building. He see NO relationship whatever - in terms of true economic value - in spending money and getting a real service or good in return from the recipient of said expenditure.

Trump's - and many individuals - are essentially, genetically inclined to be averse to such a form of 'economic' policy. In fact, they see it as not only inefficient, but borderline immoral and impractical. Genes rule; there are two different - and polar - economic character personalities manifest (generalization) in individuals. Such being people who find spiritual satisfaction in SPENDING money...and those who find joy in SAVING money. Not a jab or character judgment...just an observation. Both have potential merit.

My guess...Trump DEMANDS real value for expenditure. His genes will drive him...not politics; or at least to a great degree. That will be good for our Nation. It is never a good thing to spoil your children, or let them believe they are owned everything - equality, as a matter of morality - but owe nothing to the Society upon which they make their (moral) demand.

Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:16 am to
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Obama spent 3% of his stimulus on infrastructure, and 97% on boosting various kinds of welfare programs. That's not an exaggeration.


The biggest portion of the stimulus was tax relief. I'm not saying that I like/dislike the stimulus bill that Obama signed, but it's intellectually dishonest to say that 97% was "welfare."

I mean, every form of government spending can be construed as welfare. However, if Trump's Carrier deal is not welfare to this board, then Obama's stimulus certainly was not 97% welfare.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34883 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:33 am to
The societal benefit to paid workers who build a bridge is immediate, but temporary, C. As such payment needs to be maintained. But the bridge last a long time. The right kind of paying and building can a long way toward benefiting our Nation as a whole.

Same with the Military, and Medicare. Tons of abuse, fraud, cronyism, etc. Trump has made his promise/boast; now we'll see if he delivers. He'd better, if he wants his head carved on Rushmore; the hair alone will be a negative toward that end.
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