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Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:18 pm to upgrayedd
quote:No, I don't feel that way. Why do you ask?
Do you feel that NFL owners are not allowed to manage their employees as they see fit?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:20 pm to troyt37
First off, I didn't say Kapernick and National Anthem kneeling wasn't an issue. It is undoubtedly an issue, and maybe the biggest issue. I don't think its the only issue, though.
UFC PPV buys were way down in 2017 v 2016 and NASCAR has faced declining ratings and attendance in recent years. MLB is having a great postseason, likely due to big media-market teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Astros, Nationals) and some very exciting games, especially in the Astros-Yankees series. As for the NBA, regular season ratings dipped, while the Finals ratings were up. Based on this information, I don't think you can say the NFL is exclusively the only league with declining ratings and attendance.
As for Sunday Ticket, I didn't say it was exclusively Sunday Ticket, but a combination of Sunday Ticket + quality and affordability of home theater systems and hi-def TVs. While there's likely no way to empirically measure this effect, you've got to admit that the ability to watch a game in high definition on a big screen from the comfort of your living room or media room does effect the cost/benefit of attending a game. Obviously this isn't something that happened overnight, but a long term trend. Higher quality and more-affordable home entertainment systems, coupled with Netflix and other streaming services, likely has had a similar effect on movie theater attendance.
Regarding game atmosphere, again - I didn't say this happened overnight. Rick Reilly wrote a great piece on this subject seven years ago, and the trend has only continued and likely gotten worse since then.
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Are the NBA, MLB, UFC or NASCAR facing a 20% decline?
UFC PPV buys were way down in 2017 v 2016 and NASCAR has faced declining ratings and attendance in recent years. MLB is having a great postseason, likely due to big media-market teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Astros, Nationals) and some very exciting games, especially in the Astros-Yankees series. As for the NBA, regular season ratings dipped, while the Finals ratings were up. Based on this information, I don't think you can say the NFL is exclusively the only league with declining ratings and attendance.
As for Sunday Ticket, I didn't say it was exclusively Sunday Ticket, but a combination of Sunday Ticket + quality and affordability of home theater systems and hi-def TVs. While there's likely no way to empirically measure this effect, you've got to admit that the ability to watch a game in high definition on a big screen from the comfort of your living room or media room does effect the cost/benefit of attending a game. Obviously this isn't something that happened overnight, but a long term trend. Higher quality and more-affordable home entertainment systems, coupled with Netflix and other streaming services, likely has had a similar effect on movie theater attendance.
Regarding game atmosphere, again - I didn't say this happened overnight. Rick Reilly wrote a great piece on this subject seven years ago, and the trend has only continued and likely gotten worse since then.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:22 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
No, I don't feel that way. Why do you ask?
Because you're saying that the owners shouldn't be able to tell their players that they have to stand for the anthem.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:24 pm to Volkosoby
well the KKK came out yesterday and said wearing hoods and white sheets as well as burning crosses means something totally new now, they do it now to raise awareness of how black privilege causes whites to be discriminated against and to raise awareness and call attention to how whites are 20 times more likely to be killed by cops then black as proven by actual real world statistics.
so we can now burn crosses in the parking lots and on the field before every NFL game now to raise awareness of black privilege and stuff and everyone is all supportive and shite because, "muh" first amendment and all that right?
it is the exact same thing as the players are doing, taking a racist protest supporting racism, and trying to change the narrative about something that has always been about disrespecting the flag and our country to hold a racist demonstration supporting racism against whites and the killing of cops. they now want to call it something different just to try and get people to accept supporting racism against whites and the killing of cops as something other then what it is and will always be, supporting racism against whites and the killing of cops.
so unless you are a hypocrite, if you support the kneeling or just ignore it and watch the games anyway in spite of it, then you have to be cool with supporting the KKK burning crosses to raise awareness of black privilege and discrimination against whites now right?
the NFL has turned every NFL game into a black lives matter protest supporting racism against all whites and hatred for cops and then they dont they sit back and cant understand why everyone doesnt love it. this why they are going broke
so we can now burn crosses in the parking lots and on the field before every NFL game now to raise awareness of black privilege and stuff and everyone is all supportive and shite because, "muh" first amendment and all that right?
it is the exact same thing as the players are doing, taking a racist protest supporting racism, and trying to change the narrative about something that has always been about disrespecting the flag and our country to hold a racist demonstration supporting racism against whites and the killing of cops. they now want to call it something different just to try and get people to accept supporting racism against whites and the killing of cops as something other then what it is and will always be, supporting racism against whites and the killing of cops.
so unless you are a hypocrite, if you support the kneeling or just ignore it and watch the games anyway in spite of it, then you have to be cool with supporting the KKK burning crosses to raise awareness of black privilege and discrimination against whites now right?
the NFL has turned every NFL game into a black lives matter protest supporting racism against all whites and hatred for cops and then they dont they sit back and cant understand why everyone doesnt love it. this why they are going broke
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:25 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Freedom and liberty have never been a problem for me.
What about the freedom and liberty to support, or refuse to support whichever businesses one sees fit? No?
quote:
The fact that you want to silence anyone who doesn't agree with you is indeed a problem, at least in a country that claims freedom of speech as one of its foundations.
Oh... you're confused. I get it. It's the previous administration which allowed and encouraged the government to go after businesses and people that it ideologically disagreed with. That's not happening here.
This is the free market at it's best. This is a free populace choosing whether or not to support a for profit endeavor, with their money and feet. People continually have to be reminded that rights come with responsibilities. Nobody is free from the consequences of free speech.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:27 pm to Volkosoby
Question, is the league's blackout policy still suspended as it has been for the past 3 years?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:27 pm to keakar
Which giant organization will suffer next at the feet of the American people?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:37 pm to Volkosoby
This isn't the NFL, it's a white liberal writer (as pointed out) who feels so much white guilt that he is literally willing to die for black people.
Case in point... ever hear how liberals don't like blaming a rape or robbery perpetrator because they are black? I mean blame him or her because he or she is black, as in their culture.
Merely entertaining the thought that "something is very wrong with the black community and they consciously or subconsciously (the latter being a function of being fed B.S. by white liberals) are against our country" makes many white liberals feel racist.
Case in point, the media's treatment of Barack Obama.
Case in point... ever hear how liberals don't like blaming a rape or robbery perpetrator because they are black? I mean blame him or her because he or she is black, as in their culture.
Merely entertaining the thought that "something is very wrong with the black community and they consciously or subconsciously (the latter being a function of being fed B.S. by white liberals) are against our country" makes many white liberals feel racist.
Case in point, the media's treatment of Barack Obama.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:39 pm to troyt37
quote:Absolutely. I'm not advocating taking away your right to boycott. I'm just saying your boycott is as childish and petty as the numbnuts kneeling during the National Anthem.
Freedom and liberty have never been a problem for me.
What about the freedom and liberty to support, or refuse to support whichever businesses one sees fit? No?
quote:
Oh... you're confused. I get it. It's the previous administration which allowed and encouraged the government to go after businesses and people that it ideologically disagreed with. That's not happening here.
This is the free market at it's best.
So the President comes out and advocates for folks to be fired over what is their freedom of speech and that's what you call the free market?
You seem to be the one confused here.
quote:Wrong. This is racists tired of having to deal with a black President for the last eight years, and now they have a white President who backs up their prejudice, and by God they're running with it full speed ahead.
This is a free populace choosing whether or not to support a for profit endeavor,
At least be honest about the situation.
Trump is dividing and distracting every bit as much or more as Obama did. And don't think that's by accident, either.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:40 pm to Volkosoby
If players were doing Nazi salutes I wonder how much we'd be hearing about them "exercising their first amendment rights"
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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packages like NFL Sunday Ticket So, I would assume we can find some stats showing these packages are selling like gangbusters?
I got a full refund on mine.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:40 pm to LukeSidewalker
quote:The God Emperor will let you know which ones to spew your faux outrage over.
Which giant organization will suffer next at the feet of the American people?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:41 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Absolutely. I'm not advocating taking away your right to boycott. I'm just saying your boycott is as childish and petty as the numbnuts kneeling during the National Anthem.
I'm not sure how you equate so-called role models disgracing themselves, their employers and their country, in front of the whole world... with some schlunk in Pennsylvania not buying Steelers shite anymore or watching them on the boob tube.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:41 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Never said that. In fact, I said the exact opposite in another thread about this topic.
No, I don't feel that way. Why do you ask?
Because you're saying that the owners shouldn't be able to tell their players that they have to stand for the anthem.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:43 pm to TX Tiger
Did you stop "boycotting" Vagisil?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:43 pm to Volkosoby
They are fricking pathetic.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:45 pm to texashorn
quote:Both are childish and overreacting. What is so difficult to understand about that?
Absolutely. I'm not advocating taking away your right to boycott. I'm just saying your boycott is as childish and petty as the numbnuts kneeling during the National Anthem.
I'm not sure how you equate so-called role models disgracing themselves, their employers and their country, in front of the whole world... with some schlunk in Pennsylvania not buying Steelers shite anymore or watching them on the boob tube.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 3:51 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Both are childish and overreacting. What is so difficult to understand about that?
Well, I guess if you hate our government system but love its benefits, like you do, then you would consider patriotism childish, and millionaire dupes showing their arse over an untrue cause, not worth being offended over.
Step out of your little bubble, sir.
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