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re: Newspaper conglomerate considers building massive database of gun owners
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Strawman much? This isn't a free speech issue.
Do you really want to restrict the right to free speech?
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:56 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Cool. Post up your tax return! What could possibly go wrong if we all had your full name, address and SSN.
Sure, as long as there is an income tax.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:32 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Strawman much? This isn't a free speech issue.
Don't be such a hack.
quote:
Newspaper conglomerate considers building massive database of gun owners...Lawitz said the news conglomerate currently has no plans to publish the database.
“We do not typically publicly comment on internal propriety communication. However, we have no plans to publish any names on any lists. Further, we are open to discuss any published reports,” Lawitz said.
I guess you can't help it:
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Cool. Post up your tax return! What could possibly go wrong if we all had your full name, address and SSN.
It's not currently a matter of public record. I don't want that information released - but then, I don't want to pay income tax either.
BTW, in the past my income was a matter of public record - and was actually published by the news media. It is what it is.
I'm sorry that you want the government keeping secrets from the People.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:38 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Being a newspaper doesn't automatically make something a free speech issue. Especially since "However, we have no plans to publish any names on any lists."
Newspaper
quote:Perhaps I misunderstood?
It's not currently a matter of public record. I don't want that information released
quote:
I'm sorry that you want the government keeping secrets from the People.
Good grief. quote:
I believe doctor/patient confidentiality should supercede public records requests.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:39 am to son of arlo
quote:
Are you suggesting I carry illegally, or just not carry?
I neglected to mention one other option:
Open carry.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:08 pm to Alahunter
quote:With this preoccupation, they now have a reason for not covering the news.
Newspaper conglomerate considers building massive database of gun owners
What's Fox and CNN's excuse?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:40 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
"However, we have no plans to publish any names on any lists."
They reserve the RIGHT to, and after all, isn't that what all the uproar in this thread is about? Imean, what if they collected a bunch of data on citizens and then never did anything with it? What if they gave a party and nobody came?
quote:
Perhaps I misunderstood?
I don't believe that, I believe you're simply being obtuse.
quote:
I believe doctor/patient confidentiality should supercede public records requests.
Maybe I don't want doctors sharing patients' private information with the government because if they did, it would enter the public domain.
The issue here isn't what the press should be allowed to do, the issue is what information the government should be allowed to keep on private citizens. If you don't want the press to publish records of CC permit holders, change the laws so that the press can't gain access to that info. While I'm against that, I don't blame the press for doing something perfectly legal - AND WITHIN THEIR 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO DO.
Isn't it public record that I hold a permit issued by the State to operate a motor vehicle? Is there some explicit privacy law prohibiting the release of CC permit holders to the public? Is that what you advocate?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:50 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Since when does a private interest have to declare a purpose for its legal activities?
I did not ask whether they had the right to. I am simply asking for what purpose would they gather this information. I cannot think of a single reason why they would gather this information other than to passive-aggressively harass people following the law.
I believe it just shows that there are some political agenda-driven aspects to this large media conglomerate.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Not entirely. Many have expressed concern the government released the info.
They reserve the RIGHT to, and after all, isn't that what all the uproar in this thread is about?
quote:Sure. With bulging newsroom staffs, I'm sure they work on all sorts of projects they never intend on using.
Imean, what if they collected a bunch of data on citizens and then never did anything with it?
quote:Project much?
I don't believe that, I believe you're simply being obtuse.
I thought your position was, that you believe tax returns should be public. I was giving you the opportunity to clarify. (Which you didn't) If you don't, I stand corrected. No need for hostility. quote:Ummm VA is the government.
Maybe I don't want doctors sharing patients' private information with the government because if they did, it would enter the public domain.
quote:Yup. Hence, not a free speech issue.
The issue here isn't what the press should be allowed to do, the issue is what information the government should be allowed to keep on private citizens.
quote:No. I don't advocate getting a CC just for this very reason. It's always been odd to me that 2A advocates are against gun registration because it leads to confiscation, but they willingly sign up for a CC.
Is there some explicit privacy law prohibiting the release of CC permit holders to the public? Is that what you advocate?
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:56 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
I did not ask whether they had the right to. I am simply asking for what purpose would they gather this information. I cannot think of a single reason why they would gather this information other than to passive-aggressively harass people following the law.
Why does any corporation do whatever they do?
I suspect it has something to do with potential to increase shareholder value. If you disagree with what they are doing, don't consume their product.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Why are you so in favor of the government keeping information from the public?
Because it's information about private individuals, who never asked the government to record that information. The only reason the government has this information is because individuals submitted to the government under threat of imprisonment.
You just said that you're against the government tracking mental health issues because of the possibility of it being released publicly. This is the exact same issue.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:54 pm to Antonio Moss
Here's an interesting opinion...
quote:
Hmmm. Time to build and publish a massive list of newspaper editor cell phone numbers and home addresses
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:36 pm to Alahunter
Remember when journalists and newspapers were known to report the news instead of pushing agendas?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:11 pm to LSUGrrrl
That was a long time ago...
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:10 pm to Alahunter
Publish his name and address.
And the name and address of his family and those upper level employees that work for him.
While we are sharing information.
And the name and address of his family and those upper level employees that work for him.
While we are sharing information.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:35 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
You just said that you're against the government tracking mental health issues because of the possibility of it being released publicly. This is the exact same issue.
So you're saying people who carry concealed weapons are crazy?
Yep, you're definitly a liberal.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:04 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Exactly. There is a massive difference between a government keeping secrets about it's own activity, and keeping secure information about private citizens.
Why are you so in favor of the government keeping information from the public?
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Because it's information about private individuals,
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:30 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
keeping secure information about private citizens.
Please point out where CC permit lists are considered "secure" under the law.
tia
But be careful with Antonio, he's actually equating a private citizen freely petitioning the government for a permit to participate in a regulated activity to a private citizen having his doctor diagnose a disease. To me that indicates something less than sincerity.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Good grief. Do you think acting responsibly isn't possible unless there is a law?
Please point out where CC permit lists are considered "secure" under the law.
quote:No. He isn't. You're distorting his argument in order to have something winnable to argue against. To me that indicates something less sincerity.
But be careful with Antonio, he's actually equating a private citizen freely petitioning the government for a permit to participate in a regulated activity to a private citizen having his doctor diagnose a disease. To me that indicates something less than sincerity.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
I happen to believe that everything the government does, or tracks, should be public information. You don't? :chilling:
This one did it for me.
You have to be the most staggeringly naive poster in the history of the PT to have knuckled in that one on your keyboard.
Birth certificates, VA medical records, government worker annual appraisals, application data for government jobs, income tax data, SS data, prescription drug data, strategic/tactical military plans, CIA info, NSA data, military readiness information, incarceration details, and I'm just getting started.
I'm out.
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