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re: My father-in-law is paying $30,000 for health insurance this year.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:08 am to The_Duke
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:08 am to The_Duke
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Also I call B.S on this $30,000 a year crap. You must be adding in some life saving surgeries or something.
Not BS. My uncle pays $2400/month for himself, his wife, and his son.
Now granted, he's rich as frick so I don't have too much sympathy for him. But it's bullshite that the government can just sign a few thousand pieces of paper and gouge successful people's pocketbooks without fair warning.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:08 am to The_Duke
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Also I call B.S on this $30,000 a year crap.
Then you're an idiot.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:10 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Why do communist filthbags like you care if an insurance company makes a profit? The whole concept of a private company is to make a profit. The whole concept of investors poring their life savings into a company is to earn dividends (profits not reserved or allocated for expansion and growth) and potentially see a return on the sale of their stock.
Why should insurance companies make a profit?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:10 am to SSpaniel
quote:You have to have health issues and gold level plans to jump into the $25-30K range.
Uh... what is $2,500 X 12, Alex?
$2,500 for a family sound about right under Obdummycare, at lease in Tennessee. Depending, of course, on the type of plan and medal level.
How much do you expect rates to drop under Trump?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:12 am to mmcgrath
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You have to have health issues
Health issues no longer have anything to do with it. Except for smoking.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:14 am to HubbaBubba
Why does that matter to ppl?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:16 am to The_Duke
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Why does that matter to ppl?
It shows that you are either a) to chickenshit to post under your normal name or b) banned.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:18 am to SSpaniel
or that I've been a lurking non-member who finally decided to create an account and chime in on some ignorance. Sure that should be an option
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:20 am to mule74
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Together, they are paying a combined $66,000 annually. Pre-ACA, he estimates their combined premiums were less than $15,000 annually.
The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.
In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by this administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.
Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many. When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year.
The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 12.8 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2014 signups and it was eventually uncovered and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 12.8 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured.. Now we learn that 1.7 million have dropped coverage and the year is only half over.. The total is now down to 11 million if we can believe the administration's numbers. The total may be well below 10 million by the end of the year.
My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.
The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency.
It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration.
Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and copayments. Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration.
So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent this administration is and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.
The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:23 am to HubbaBubba
Not saying that's the case---but should be an option nonetheless.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:24 am to The_Duke
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or that I've been a lurking non-member who finally decided to create an account and chime in with some ignorance
FIFY
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:24 am to The_Duke
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The "greatest nation ever" should allow their lower half of children to die off in the streets simply because their parents were laid of due to some company not beating last quarters arbitrary set profit goals? doesn't sound like the greatest nation to me
So your hypothetical scenario justifies a huge cost burden on the middle class?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:26 am to SSpaniel
quote:Heavying useage can drive up the premiums still I believe, but it isn't automatic based on a condition alone. But I did have to plug in tobacco users in healthcare.gov to get the higher rates, as well as high expected useage.
Health issues no longer have anything to do with it. Except for smoking.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:26 am to The_Duke
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I call B.S on this $30,000 a year crap
I don't even own a business and my total cost is over $18000 between me and my employer per year.
With the high deductibles, since the ACA came about we have paid a grand total of $100,000+ to insurance companies, and they have only paid out about $5000 in "care."
frick this bullshite "insurance" system, especially with government so involved and driving up the cost. Cash should be king except for catastrophic shite.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:26 am to SSpaniel
We are all ignorant on many topics--I don't chime in on those tho.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:30 am to mule74
Wouldn't be be better off just not paying that?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:38 am to The_Duke
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The "greatest nation ever" should allow their lower half of children to die off in the streets
Aaaand where was this happening?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:39 am to The_Duke
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We are all ignorant on many topics--I don't chime in on those tho.
Says this in a thread on a topic about which he is woefully ignorant…
Win!
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:41 am to mule74
1. He should shop around to find a lower price.
2. He should consider paying the fine and looking into non-ACA compliant plans.
2. He should consider paying the fine and looking into non-ACA compliant plans.
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