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re: Muslim poll responses "Religion of peace" (Pew research)
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:40 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:40 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:While I assume it under represents Muslim sentiments, I don't know and don't really care. It's a poll. Polls aren't necessarily reliable and they don't usually do much except get politicians antsy and feed the biases of those who read them.
Are you suggesting that the results under or over represent muslim feelings on the desire for sharia law?
What I do know is that Islam--true Islam--breeds violence and death. It's a false religion and those who follow it are deceived and they are taught to deceive others who get in the way of Allah's will.
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Of course, but instead of trotting out propaganda, why not pose the question: who is creating, training, and funding these POS? Because without that, they would still be secluded in their own little sandbox halfway around the world.
Just because there is no completely peaceful religion, doesn't mean that a certain religion can't lead to more violence than others
It's just typical of this board to concentrate on the effect rather than the cause.
It's like the endless threads hammering on welfare recipients instead of hammering on the people who are stealing from us to create and fund them.
In simpler terms, it's crying over spilled milk rather than trying to figure out what caused the spilled milk and how to avoid further milk from being spilled.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:48 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
While I assume it under represents Muslim sentiments, I don't know and don't really care. It's a poll. Polls aren't necessarily reliable and they don't usually do much except get politicians antsy and feed the biases of those who read them. What I do know is that Islam--true Islam--breeds violence and death. It's a false religion and those who follow it are deceived and they are taught to deceive others who get in the way of Allah's will.
Ok just checking
I was going to say, if anything these polls underrepresented the true feelings of Muslims.
From the methods...
quote:
In certain instances, regions of countries with high levels of insecurity or limited access were also excluded from the national samples
In addition, higher education was overepresented in a few countries.
And last but not least, I would think it would be very hard to find the most radical Muslims actively engaged in Jihad
I can't think of a single reason why the results would falsely over represent the sentiments of Muslims, but I'm open to suggestions
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
WaWaWeeWa
Jagshemash... I liiiiiike!
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Again, I don't care about the poll. It may be very accurate or it could be very inaccurate one way or the other. Like I said, I think it under represents the number of Muslims who are for Sharia, who are in support of violence against infidels, and anything and everything negative associated with Islam.
Polls won't change what I believe and know about Islam and Muslims. They cannot be trusted to tell the truth if it may in some way hurt their cause, and they are unified in their faith. I strongly believe Islam is a religion borne of Satan and its fruits are death and slavery, submission to a religion whose founder was a war lord and pedophile with malice in his heart and a sword in his hand.
Polls won't change what I believe and know about Islam and Muslims. They cannot be trusted to tell the truth if it may in some way hurt their cause, and they are unified in their faith. I strongly believe Islam is a religion borne of Satan and its fruits are death and slavery, submission to a religion whose founder was a war lord and pedophile with malice in his heart and a sword in his hand.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:29 pm to FooManChoo
I'm not quite on that end of the spectrum
I think some core values in Islam cause it to be more likely to produce radical and violent factions, but I do not think it is immune to reformation
I think the biggest obstacle at this point is convincing the vast majority of the world that Islam needs reformation of many of its core beliefs. We are having trouble even stating what the actual problem is, and that is discouraging.
That being said, I would like to stay on topic
I think some core values in Islam cause it to be more likely to produce radical and violent factions, but I do not think it is immune to reformation
I think the biggest obstacle at this point is convincing the vast majority of the world that Islam needs reformation of many of its core beliefs. We are having trouble even stating what the actual problem is, and that is discouraging.
That being said, I would like to stay on topic
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:32 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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polls are legit again? I really can't keep up with when they are legit and when they are fake news.
Eat shite.
This one isn't pushing anything
and it is Pew, which should be leftist enough for you
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:41 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I'll just say that reformation can only happen if it is reformation away from Islam, removing major tenants of that faith. It was founded by a man of war who was only peaceful until he was rejected, and then saw that strength through shedding blood created a following. History won't allow Islam to be peaceful. Peace requires distance.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:42 pm to gthog61
quote:Of course not. Propaganda never has an agenda behind it.
polls are legit again? I really can't keep up with when they are legit and when they are fake news.
Eat shite.
This one isn't pushing anything
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:47 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Additionally, there is no religion that is a religion of peace.
False.
Jainism
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:48 pm to TX Tiger
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Propaganda
I love how this term is thrown around here so much by both sides. It's pathetic.
Please state specifically what makes the poll propaganda. That is exactly why I created this thread and posted the entire PDF file of the study (which I have read), so that we can discuss exactly what makes this information propaganda?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:06 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Your inculcation into the belief that there are two sides is all I need to know to tell me that explaining propaganda to you is futile.
Propaganda
I love how this term is thrown around here so much by both sides. It's pathetic.
Well, that and the fact that you posted it as legitimate information.
Polls like these are published to keep the sheople fighting amongst themselves over which Muslims are good and which Muslims are bad, and making sure we remain aware of them and fearful and hateful of them.
The establishment has to have that in order to keep the useful idiots engaged in their agenda in the Middle East.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:23 am to TX Tiger
Here's why this is technically NOT propaganda. Propaganda is designed by or for the messenger in order to benefit the messenger.
PEW research, to my knowledge, has nothing to gain from the dissemination of this information. They are not fomenting a cause or promoting a product. They are not known to be a partner or fraternizer with any organization or party line that would benefit from this information. You may doubt its validity, but you cannot claim that it is propaganda.
Also, propaganda is typically best infused by appealing directly to emotion rather than logic. While there are types of propaganda that appeal to reason, they are considerably less effective.
PEW research, to my knowledge, has nothing to gain from the dissemination of this information. They are not fomenting a cause or promoting a product. They are not known to be a partner or fraternizer with any organization or party line that would benefit from this information. You may doubt its validity, but you cannot claim that it is propaganda.
Also, propaganda is typically best infused by appealing directly to emotion rather than logic. While there are types of propaganda that appeal to reason, they are considerably less effective.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:27 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:30 am to TX Tiger
quote:
Your inculcation into the belief that there are two sides is all I need to know to tell me that explaining propaganda to you is futile. Well, that and the fact that you posted it as legitimate information. Polls like these are published to keep the sheople fighting amongst themselves over which Muslims are good and which Muslims are bad, and making sure we remain aware of them and fearful and hateful of them. The establishment has to have that in order to keep the useful idiots engaged in their agenda in the Middle East.
I didn't ask you to explain what propaganda is
I asked you to explain specifically WHY it is propaganda
You can't answer a simple question. A simple straightforward question. Do you realize how pathetic that is? Yet it is the basis of everything you believe and claim to know to be true, and you can't answer a question or defend your position. What does that say about you?
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:32 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:32 am to biglego
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Liberals refuse to acknowledge these polls, and most don't know these polls exist Bc the media ignores their existence. Bill Maher does not ignore them, his show with Ben Affleck is the reason I heard of these polls
why are they polling muslims who believe sharia law should be the law of the land.. about whether or not they believe in things like the death penalty for leaving islam?
couldn't you get a much more useful number by multiplying the total population of Muslims in a country by the % of muslims who support death penalty, etc.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:32 am to Bamapossum
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:35 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Like I said...
I didn't ask you to explain what propaganda is I asked you to explain specifically WHY it is propaganda You can't answer a simple question. A simple straightforward question. Do you realize how pathetic that is? Yet it is the basis of everything you believe and claim to know to be true, and you can't answer a question or defend your position. What does that say about you?
quote:
Your inculcation into the belief that there are two sides is all I need to know to tell me that explaining propaganda to you is futile.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:40 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:It says I shouldn't come to the poliboard unless I feel like banging my head against the wall.
You can't answer a simple question. A simple straightforward question. Do you realize how pathetic that is? Yet it is the basis of everything you believe and claim to know to be true, and you can't answer a question or defend your position. What does that say about you?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:40 am to bmy
quote:
why are they polling muslims who believe sharia law should be the law of the land.. about whether or not they believe in things like the death penalty for leaving islam? couldn't you get a much more useful number by multiplying the % of muslims in a country that supports sharia law by the % of muslims who support death penalty, etc.
I don't understand your question. Why would that give you a more useful number? And what would that number reflect?
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