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re: Michael Brown robbed store hours before his death ?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:08 am to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:08 am to Tigah in the ATL
One thing is true at this point.
Whenever there is an "innocent black kid who was attacked for no reason"
you better believe there was a whole other novel that hasnt dropped yet about his life of crime.
Whenever there is an "innocent black kid who was attacked for no reason"
you better believe there was a whole other novel that hasnt dropped yet about his life of crime.
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:08 am to Tigah in the ATL
If a man of his size were to attack me? I wouldn't hesitate shooting the guy.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:09 am to Quidam65
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There is a link now.
That link isn't exactly damning evidence.
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The unarmed black teenager who was fatally shot by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb, fit the description of a suspect in a strong-arm robbery that happened minutes earlier
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:09 am to Tigah in the ATL
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quote:But,but,...........the brutality.s it would be ok to kill him, then?
Yeah...THAT's what was said.
No. The kid should only have been shot if there was a justifiable reason for doing so, just like any other shooting.
But, the story is vastly different. There was/is now a REASON for the interaction with the LEO (either he WAS the robber, or he sure the frick matched the description).
If he was the robber, this also shows this person was not averse to using physical force.
Context...
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:09 am to The Spleen
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So you knew him personally?
And here comes the spin.
Its amazing how some took off with the early emotional narrative and were quick with judgement and now as facts start slowly coming out that start to paint a different picture they start to spin.
Some people dont want the facts and dont want to make informed and educated judgement about what happened. Thats very sad.
There are still many more questions to be answered but the disingenuous idiots that are already trying to say "the robbery doesnt mean anything" have already outed themselves as "not interested in the truth"
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:10 am to rb
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You keep saying this ,but how do you know it wasn't justified?
I do not know. However, the police dept. actions seem to support the idea that something unusual happened.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:11 am to Lsut81
It is not irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting at all.
1. It shows the cop wasn't just stopping people to harass them but was investigating the victim, which would or could give the victim a reason to attack officer.
2. If officer was attacked we now have a reasoned opinion of why he may have feared for his life, big guy has already robbed someone, now he is attacking the cop in the car and the cop knows if this big guy gets ahold of him he might get his gun or if he is resisting arrest HE VERY WELL MIGHT HAVE A GUN IN HIS WAISTBAND.
So, any of you here want to volunteer what you would do in this situation ?
You are a cop, investigation a suspect WITH 2 FRIENDS in a rough section of town, the huge suspect tries to overpower you as you are attempting to take him in for questioning, what runs through your mind ?
A. This big guy is a misunderstood saint who probably has never carried a weapon in his life.
B. Oh shyt, this big brute that we suspect in a robbery, might be trying to get my gun or now that he's trying to overpower me, he might pull a gun out of his own waistband or pocket, or one of his buddies is going to cap my azz from outside, I have got to get my gun out or I am probably dead. BINGO this would be my thought, I suspect this would be everyone on heres honest thoughts if attacked.
The witnesses I have seen look a little sketchy to me.
1. It shows the cop wasn't just stopping people to harass them but was investigating the victim, which would or could give the victim a reason to attack officer.
2. If officer was attacked we now have a reasoned opinion of why he may have feared for his life, big guy has already robbed someone, now he is attacking the cop in the car and the cop knows if this big guy gets ahold of him he might get his gun or if he is resisting arrest HE VERY WELL MIGHT HAVE A GUN IN HIS WAISTBAND.
So, any of you here want to volunteer what you would do in this situation ?
You are a cop, investigation a suspect WITH 2 FRIENDS in a rough section of town, the huge suspect tries to overpower you as you are attempting to take him in for questioning, what runs through your mind ?
A. This big guy is a misunderstood saint who probably has never carried a weapon in his life.
B. Oh shyt, this big brute that we suspect in a robbery, might be trying to get my gun or now that he's trying to overpower me, he might pull a gun out of his own waistband or pocket, or one of his buddies is going to cap my azz from outside, I have got to get my gun out or I am probably dead. BINGO this would be my thought, I suspect this would be everyone on heres honest thoughts if attacked.
The witnesses I have seen look a little sketchy to me.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 10:26 am
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:11 am to Choctaw
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just like the Trayvon case...libs are quick to jump to conclusions
Anyone with an opinion, even you, at this point would be guilty of jumping to conclusions, since the police are keeping everything a secret. Since when do that do that to protect the guilty criminals?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:12 am to Patrick_Bateman
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How could you possibly consider them irrelevant.
They're relevant to the overall case, but not the shooting. Did y'all even read my complete sentence? They're not relevant to the shooting, the incident that has caused all the protests and public outcry.
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And, IMO, the pictures don't "attempt to paint Brown" in any light - they're actual pictures, of the actual Brown
I didn't say the pictures attempted to paint him in a bad light. I said the police department's decision to release them were an attempt to paint him in a bad light.
No surprise people are falling for that transparent move.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:12 am to kilo
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And here comes the spin. Its amazing how some took off with the early emotional narrative and were quick with judgement and now as facts start slowly coming out that start to paint a different picture they start to spin. Some people dont want the facts and dont want to make informed and educated judgement about what happened. Thats very sad. There are still many more questions to be answered but the disingenuous idiots that are already trying to say "the robbery doesnt mean anything" have already outed themselves as "not interested in the truth"
its the news cycle.
before the 24/7 news cycle and social media, by the time the rest of the country would have heard about this story, enough facts would come out that people would have a more complete picture of what happened to reach a preliminary conclusion.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:12 am to kilo
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If the initial interaction was because he was suspected of robbing a store moments before that changes a lot.
Maybe to some, not to me. The question I have is all about the murder. Cops stop people all the time for being black but there is no outrage like this because they did not get killed.
People think the cop murdered the kid, that is why there is such outrage. I do not know if he did or not, but there is an awful lot of actions by the police that makes one go hhhmmmmmm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:14 am to Choctaw
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because liberal white guilt
Me, really? Not likely.
White folks cannot have a dislike for cops abusing their power?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:14 am to teke184
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People knew OJ was guilty as hell when he was arrested. They cheered anyway because it was "their" guy getting one over on The Man.
...and O.J. found out the hard way that "jury nullification" is a two-way street.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:14 am to Choctaw
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how do you know they're not looking for him?
Because they didn't have to. He gave them a witness interview this week. He was in their presence and no charges brought against him.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:15 am to C
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Maybe
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:15 am to novabill
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People think the cop murdered the kid, that is why there is such outrage.
And the fact that there is ZERO legitimate basis to reach this conclusion, other than the rabble-rousing of the usual suspects, is ridiculous.
And don't try to claim to be objective...
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Maybe to some, not to me. The question I have is all about the murder.
You've made your determination.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:15 am to novabill
Of course it is relevant.
It would not (likely) be "relevant" in a court of law in regards to some other criminal proceeding.
But, insofar as public opinion...it is certainly relevant and I have consistently called for the maximum openness and honest flow of information.
I think we should know the officer's name and his account of what happened.
I think we should know whatever facts there is to know about the "victim".
This event occurred immediately prior to the encounter. It is reasonable for it to be known.
silliness to object to increased quantity of information. I fear ignorance waaaay more than knowledge.
It would not (likely) be "relevant" in a court of law in regards to some other criminal proceeding.
But, insofar as public opinion...it is certainly relevant and I have consistently called for the maximum openness and honest flow of information.
I think we should know the officer's name and his account of what happened.
I think we should know whatever facts there is to know about the "victim".
This event occurred immediately prior to the encounter. It is reasonable for it to be known.
silliness to object to increased quantity of information. I fear ignorance waaaay more than knowledge.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:16 am to NC_Tigah
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Did the cop now supposedly choose to encounter Brown because of the robbery? Very doubtful, lest we'd have heard about it almost immediately.
Agreed. It seems very suspicious that this information would surface a full week later.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:16 am to rb
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If a man of his size were to attack me? I wouldn't hesitate shooting the guy.
Nor would I. But if that man hit me then distanced himself from me and surrendered, as has been reported in this case, and I shot him because I was mad and not because I was in danger, I am guilty of murder, am I not?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:17 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I fear ignorance waaaay more than knowledge.
Have an upvote sir.
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