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re: Michael Brown robbed store hours before his death ?

Posted on 8/15/14 at 5:53 pm to
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 5:53 pm to
I don't think anyone thought he was an altar boy.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 5:56 pm to
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Either we are witnessing horrendous reporting or a jackass of a Police Chief dribbling out information in away that does nothing but inflame.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:08 pm to
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It may have been a good shoot, dont know yet, and I agree that many in the community and all of the looters will not care if a good shoot is proven.


Looking logic and reason in an illogical and irrational world can be quite frustrating. That is a truth on which you can always rely.
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:14 pm to
Yes, I could see where the TRUTH could be inflammatory
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:17 pm to
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After seeing the video, I can see the aggressiveness in the deceased and have no problem believing that he may have assaulted the officer and tried to take his gun, and if so, the shooting was justified in my opinion.


I just watched the video and I agree with you that Brown was very aggressive towards the clerk when the clerk confronted Brown leaving the store. When Brown pushed the clerk and the clerk backed away Brown even turned away from the door and approached the clerk and said something to him.

It is enough evidence to convince me that Mr. Brown was a thug and that if he was confronted by a cop he would not have hesitated to attack a cop if it was necessary in order to escape.

I am going out on a limb because I admit I'm speculating based on no direct evidence but I think when Brown was told by the cop to get out of the middle of the road Brown at first thought the cop suspected him of being the person who was involved in the robbery.

Brown approached the police car and when the cop began questioning Brown he panicked and started wrestling with the cop.

The cop feared for his life because Brown was huge and tried to pull out his gun to defend himself.

When Brown saw the cop doing that he tried to stop the cop from pulling his gun out and in the process the gun fired hitting Brown in the chest.

Brown then attempted to flee and while doing so he raised his hands in the air hoping that would convince the cop not to shoot him again.

Now mortally wounded, Brown stumbled down the street with his hands still in the air and fell to the ground and died.

That scenario would explain why some eyewitnesses saw Brown walking away with his hands in the air, why the cop had injuries to his face and why Brown was shot by the cop.

The autopsy will show whether Brown was shot in the back or in the front and at what range he was shot.

Until it comes out, I'm just speculating based on the few facts that I know.





Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27424 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:18 pm to
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I was watching CBS News, and they interviewed some black official who said that the video was nothing more than character assassination

Sure, dude. A video that shows Brown a) committing a crime, and b) exhibiting physically aggressive behavior, it's not relevant at all. Even though it's the "victim" on tape, it's nothing but character assassination.


That whole group isnt interested in the truth or facts. That much is clear. Either way this thing goes its shed another spot light on the racial politics that are the under current of our society.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:28 pm to
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It is enough evidence to convince me that Mr. Brown was a thug and that if he was confronted by a cop he would not have hesitated to attack a cop if it was necessary in order to escape.

I am going out on a limb because I admit I'm speculating


while it's true he was clearly a thug, (assuming that's him in the video), thugs tend to brutalize people they can easily bully, and a cop with a gun is not going to be bullied easily by an unarmed thug, even your average idiot thug can figure that one out.

Of course Brown may have been dumber than your average idiot thug, that alone doesn't justify him being shot, but it does go a long way in explaining how he put himself in that situation.








This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted by cave canem
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:33 pm to
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good god you progs are stupid.


Aren’t you the same dipshit that was calling this armed robbery a few pages back?

You were hoping a homicide had been committed?

Did you not claim the reason for the initial conversation was the robbery?

Having a hard time keeping up with your nonsense. I understand it is a difficult concept for you to grasp but not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal or progressive. Just because you think you are a conservative does not make you one nor anyone who disagrees with you a liberal. You have both fabricated complete lies and slanted the truth to fit your moronic point of view in this thread repeatedly. By your silly arse definition you are the liberal progressive here. Sorry for calling you out on it.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:46 pm to
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while it's true he was clearly a thug, (assuming that's him in the video), thugs tend to brutalize people they can easily bully, and a cop with a gun is not going to be bullied easily by an unarmed thug, even your average idiot thug can figure that one out.

Of course Brown may have been dumber than your average idiot thug, that alone doesn't justify him being shot, but it does go a long way in explaining how he put himself in that situation.


As the video showed, when the clerk confronted Brown (it's obviously going to be him in the video) Brown reacted violently by grabbing the clerk and pushing him away so he could escape.

After Brown turned around and approached the clerk and said something to him Brown left the store.

To me that shows he will use physical force in order to escape.

I said I was just speculating so I could be wrong but seeing how huge Brown was and his violent behavior towards the clerk I think Brown would get physical with a cop who was smaller than him if he had the opportunity to do so in order to escape.

As I said, the autopsy will show if my scenario could be the correct one.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:24 pm to
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I told everyone he was a tPOS from the VERY beginning!


I told everyone that when he drowned New Orleans in 2005.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:30 pm to
One of the best statements I've seen on the cluster that was this media relations nightmare:
Thoughts with LT

So, more light is shed on the situation in Missouri. It is shaping up to be something like I imagined anyway, a Terry stop that took a bad turn. Tragic for everyone involved. I'm also not surprised by the public "protests" and the media handling of the situation because we know how much they love to hate the police. They will crucify a good guy in a heartbeat without a conscience while doing so. There is more to be revealed, of course, like the events of the actual stop. While kudos are well-deserved by the authorities who responded to the protests, there are still many questions about the handling of the media, or lack thereof.

What we do know is the media, if left with nothing, will draw their own conclusions. For this very reason we cannot keep them in the dark. We must take control of the story from the beginning by feeding them information in a timely fashion, and with enough "meat" in the story to keep them from getting hungry for more. If we don't they will go get information from "sources close to the investigation" or opinions on the street. The key witness in this incident is a friend and fellow robbery suspect of the deceased POS. Is it any wonder his story is so one-sided? The longer his review of events go unchallenged, the more wide spread the rumors become. We cannot, we must not allow the media and its co - conspirators like the good "Reverend" have their say for so long without setting the record straight. They may look foolish now, but for several days the court of public opinion was forming its decision and it spread nationwide. This only serves to exasperate the divide that already exists between police and the citizenry. Administrators everywhere take note, you must protect your officers as well as the good citizens of your communities after an event like this. It is imperative that you use the media to your advantage. Partner with them or you will fall prey to the monsters they willingly create. And there they will be to report the mayhem, hoping they win some prize or get called up by the network for their outstanding coverage of the " ___________ riots". Dont give them the satisfaction.

LT

Search “Survive the Streets: A Page for Cops” on Facebook. Don't know how to link a Facebook page.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:55 pm to
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They will crucify a good guy in a heartbeat without a conscience while doing so.


fair point, and also I think it's understated how quickly the media jumps to play the racist aspect or race card element of the story, after all if this were a black cop shooting or a white cop shooting a white guy, it's not even a story.

Think about that for a second, in those other cases it's not even a story, then realize the truth is THESE PEOPLE ie the media, are exactly who we think they are.

Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 8:08 pm to
Another good assessment from a mentor of mine:

Former LEO now Attorney's Take

....LoRusso's civil defense practice includes representing law enforcement officers involved in shootings, internal affairs investigations and disciplinary hearings. He is also general counsel for the Georgia Fraternal Order of Police and trains public safety officers in constitutional law and the use of deadly force.
The Daily Report asked LoRusso about possible litigation against Ferguson police, who were heavily criticized for using military tactics to break up protests; the police argued that there was looting and that the demonstrations had turned violent.
LoRusso said the first thing that came to his mind would be a First Amendment suit. He referred to the U.S. Supreme Court's 8-1 opinion in the 2011 case Snyder v. Phelps, 131 S. Ct. 1207, in which the court upheld Westboro Baptist Church's right to picket the funeral of a marine killed in Iraq. The case originated from five tort law claims filed by the marine's family against the church, including intrusion upon seclusion and civil conspiracy.
The majority opinion noted the church's "hurtful" picketing signs and slogans but found that its members were not violent and acted within the bounds of a legal, peaceful protest and were shielded from tort liability.
LoRusso noted that police departments don't always have their own attorneys to advise them and often rely on city or county attorneys whose expertise may be in zoning ordinances and not in use of force.....


Read more: https://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202667053289/Now-a-Lawyer-Former-Police-Officer-Assesses-Ferguson-Case#ixzz3AVrVsLUI
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