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re: LOL, so the eyewitness was in on the robbery too...
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:07 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:07 pm to SabiDojo
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could have mitigated the rioting/looting
The mindset of a dedicated looter/destroyer is not easily altered. The fact that destruction was their first option does not lead me to believe they can be swayed from their appointed rounds.
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:19 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Given the response of the community and the multiple death threats made via social media, it was wise to withhold this information until some form of protection could be arranged for the officer and his family.
1. The name of the officer who shot Brown.
quote:It was an on-going investigation. As someone else said earlier, if the "eyewitness" was also a part of the robbery, why tip him off by putting this out there? Wait until you have him on record to release it. That is typical police procedure I would think. Don't give out information a suspect could use to his/her benefit.
2. Whether Brown was a suspect or person of interest in an armed robbery at the time the shooting occurred because Brown met the description.
quote:That narrative has been there from the beginning, it was just glossed over by those who automatically look for the cops to be in the wrong.
3. A claim that the officer acted in self-defense.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:19 pm to SabiDojo
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Vital information was readily available.
1. The name of the officer who shot Brown.
2. Whether Brown was a suspect or person of interest in an armed robbery at the time the shooting occurred because Brown met the description.
3. A claim that the officer acted in self-defense.
It shouldn't have taken 6 days to release this information, especially after the public outrage we've seen.
Agree with the name part.
But I think we don't try to rush things. Imagine if they said he was a suspect in an armed robbery and then "oops that was a different black guy" because they didn't double or triple check their work.
The mayor and police aren't the media; they don't have the luxury pushing out half-baked info and then retracting it later if they are wrong.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:22 pm to SabiDojo
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Vital information was readily available.
1. The name of the officer who shot Brown.
2. Whether Brown was a suspect or person of interest in an armed robbery at the time the shooting occurred because Brown met the description.
3. A claim that the officer acted in self-defense.
It shouldn't have taken 6 days to release this information, especially after the public outrage we've seen.
So what?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:30 pm to BigJim
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The mayor and police aren't the media; they don't have the luxury pushing out half-baked info and then retracting it later if they are wrong.
Yeah, but chances are the mayor and chief of police won't be holding their seats for much longer.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:30 pm to Meauxjeaux
Looks like O dawg
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:30 pm to Meauxjeaux
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So what?
Well done.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:31 pm to BigJim
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But I think we don't try to rush things. Imagine if they said he was a suspect in an armed robbery and then "oops that was a different black guy" because they didn't double or triple check their work.
Like I said earlier, they didn't have to prove Brown was the robber. It's enough if he was a suspect.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:32 pm to Motorboat
That opening scene in Menace II Society always disturbed me
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:34 pm to PJinAtl
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It was an on-going investigation. As someone else said earlier, if the "eyewitness" was also a part of the robbery, why tip him off by putting this out there? Wait until you have him on record to release it. That is typical police procedure I would think. Don't give out information a suspect could use to his/her benefit.
It was an armed robbery without a deadly weapon of an item that cost less than $5. Considering the town was rioting and looting, I'd say one could weigh the two and say, "Heck, just release the information and see if it could mitigate the public outrage." It's because the police department and mayor's office refused to say anything why everything went completely to shite.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:39 pm to Meauxjeaux
whether or not the cop wasn't justified...he's not only going to walk, but he's going to keep his job
no doubt ever that the witness was lying...2 other suspicions I have about the witness
1. He's lying not only to save his arse, but because he wants this cop to go down for the count, which is really fricked up if the cop turns out to be justified in his actions. Then these people get in a courtroom and it is the villainous prosecutor who exposes the inaccuracies, inconsistencies and falsehoods of the witness' testimony only to have the media call him "cruel" "racist" "disgusting"
2. Even if the cop did illegally, immorally and unethically use lethal force, this guy is too stupid to know, so he would lie anyway to make it sound as awful as possible...hands up, running away, etc.
this whole thing is a shite show...the only lesson everyone needs to take from this is not to go to st. Louis.
ETA: I want to clarify...being involved in a robbery only impacts the witness' credibility, it doesn't prove anything one way or another.
no doubt ever that the witness was lying...2 other suspicions I have about the witness
1. He's lying not only to save his arse, but because he wants this cop to go down for the count, which is really fricked up if the cop turns out to be justified in his actions. Then these people get in a courtroom and it is the villainous prosecutor who exposes the inaccuracies, inconsistencies and falsehoods of the witness' testimony only to have the media call him "cruel" "racist" "disgusting"
2. Even if the cop did illegally, immorally and unethically use lethal force, this guy is too stupid to know, so he would lie anyway to make it sound as awful as possible...hands up, running away, etc.
this whole thing is a shite show...the only lesson everyone needs to take from this is not to go to st. Louis. ETA: I want to clarify...being involved in a robbery only impacts the witness' credibility, it doesn't prove anything one way or another.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:44 pm to Meauxjeaux
At this point there really is no reason to accept that Michael Brown held up his hands in surrender.
The police chief just said that the shooting officer knew nothing about the convenience store robbery before the deadly encounter on the street, but we can surely conclude that Michael thought he was being apprehended for the crime and acted violently accordingly.
The police chief just said that the shooting officer knew nothing about the convenience store robbery before the deadly encounter on the street, but we can surely conclude that Michael thought he was being apprehended for the crime and acted violently accordingly.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:45 pm to Meauxjeaux
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So what?
I can see not releasing the name or witholding information until all the documentation was clear....but if they had the opportunity to diffuse this bomb before all of the media hysteria and public outrage, they should have - especially if it could exonerate the cop in some ways.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:47 pm to member12
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but if they had the opportunity to diffuse this bomb before all of the media hysteria and public outrage, they should have - especially if it could exonerate the cop in some ways.
Exactly my point. Again, we're talking about a packet of swishers and no lethal weapon was used. God forbid we tip off the other suspect in such a high profile crime.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:48 pm to Rex
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The police chief just said that the shooting officer knew nothing about the convenience store robbery before the deadly encounter on the street, but we can surely conclude that Michael thought he was being apprehended for the crime and acted violently accordingly.
I agree, and this is the exact point I was making in a previous thread where a poster insisted that the robbery was irrelevant.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:49 pm to Rex
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At this point there really is no reason to accept that Michael Brown held up his hands in surrender.
The police chief just said that the shooting officer knew nothing about the convenience store robbery before the deadly encounter on the street, but we can surely conclude that Michael thought he was being apprehended for the crime and acted violently accordingly.
Dang. I hate it when this happens. I agree completely. With Rex.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:50 pm to member12
I just saw that the cop didn't know Brown was a suspect.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:51 pm to member12
it is relevant in putting together what exactly happened...it establishes that MB is a violent TPOS, it establishes that the witness isn't credible at all...all good things for the cop...but it doesn't, on its own, determine the guilt or innocence of the officer
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:52 pm to SabiDojo
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I just saw that the cop didn't know Brown was a suspect.
No. The intitial contact wasnt because he was a suspect.
Just an aisde, but many of you lawyers that post on TD seem to be very poor in dealing with words and reading critically
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:54 pm to Holden Caulfield
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The mindset of a dedicated looter/destroyer is not easily altered. The fact that destruction was their first option does not lead me to believe they can be swayed from their appointed rounds.
Nice.
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