- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Let's think critically about illegal immigration...
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:34 pm to larry289
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:34 pm to larry289
quote:I would be more open to this if it didn't involve the most inefficient institution (the government).
Think of it as military hardware because that is part of its purpose
quote:Cost or benefit, I personally need some more evidence of this before I can get behind more government.
Again you're focusing too much on costs. Place more of your critical thinking toward monetary benefit and safety.
quote:Which can be addressed via entitlement reform.
The illegals are protesting everyday in multiple cities because they don't want to give up what they have not rightfully earned. That's a direct "psychological" result of leftist building a voting base and the resulting entitlement illegals feel. This in turn pisses off and puts fear into at least majority of Americans. That's at least two direct psychologicals.
quote:And here is the fundamental problem for me. We need to stop turning to the government to solve our problems, real or perceived, unless its decreasing its own power.
My opinion is the most substantial psych benefit is the restoration of confidence in true Americans that our government is doing its job of protecting and enforcing the laws of our country.
I believe most of our greatness, past and present, has little to do with the government (winning the World Wars as a notable exception). In fact, many of our problems have stemmed from the left (War on Poverty), and to a lesser extent the right (War on Drugs), turning to the government for solutions.
1
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:37 pm to Dale51
quote:I draw the line at violent criminals because I think a major problem is our over-criminalization (e.g., War on Drugs).
Actually, I was referring to all the cost of the nonviolent crime (since you drew the line at violent criminals).
quote:I've always been for addressing entitlement reform. I think that would solve much of the problem with immigration, as well as many domestic issues as well.
THAT and the offset costs of healthcare/social services/education costs, etc, etc.
At the very least, I think it's a more appropriate first step before we start things like building walls.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:40 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:
As an employer, and this is for those who may not know, illegals get Social Security numbers & other forms of ID that satisfies the requirements of an I-9. It's not my job to be in the documentation verification business.
That would have to change. Would you be willing to do that for your country?
quote:
It takes the gov't about a year to notify the illegal that they need to verify their personal info.
That would have to change. Actually, I believe that is by design from the government. There is no explanation for that. Anyone can be anywhere and have their information and history retrieved in less than a minute once the data base is established.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:41 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
At the very least, I think it's a more appropriate first step before we start things like building walls.
Why would they have to be sequential? Do both.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:52 pm to Dale51
quote:
That would have to change. Would you be willing to do that for your country?
Quite frankly, no. I already do too much for the gov't for free. I am their tax collector which creates a burden on me. If they don't pay their child support, guess who has to write another check? Gov't takes forever to do anything for you, but when they want you to do something, it has a small window to complete. Then I have to pay my taxes on top of that.
Am I willing to do more of government's job by verifying the true identity of people within the borders of my country? I'm tired of it. Atlas is beginning to Shrug.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:57 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Which can be addressed via entitlement reform.
quote:
I believe most of our greatness, past and present, has little to do with the government (winning the World Wars as a notable exception). In fact, many of our problems have stemmed from the left (War on Poverty), and to a lesser extent the right (War on Drugs), turning to the government for solutions.
So which is it, more government entitlement reform which never happens or having our government do what is supposed to do...protect U.S.Citizens.
Just so you know, I'm all in for reducing the size of our inefficient government, entitlement reform (my age is 70 just so you know), enforcement of existing laws and cost benefit analysis. However, I do believe there are times in history that you need to step away and admit to yourself that ur history has shown on rare instances of leadership for proper change because of the pressures politicians are under to stay in office. We have just finished 8 years of some of the poorest leadership in my lifetime. Half our country dislikes the other half and all of this has been building for years and this POTUS brought it forward on steroids.
So this is one of those unique times we just need to say screw the costs, build the dammed wall and say keep your arse out of here as a first step. That sends a message in the strongest possible terms to both sides of the border. Then we start working on simplified immigration reform; work visas, path to citizenship, refusal of groups of people that have proved harmful, assimilation requirements, one language ONLY, and lastly but just as important teaching legal immigrants what America stands for.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 5:05 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:
Quite frankly, no. I already do too much for the gov't for free.
And if it's the law? If it came to that, who's side would you support..your countries or the aliens?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 5:07 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:
Quite frankly, no. I already do too much for the gov't for free.
What if all it took was to check a data base. "You're legal..welcome to the team....you're not. Bye"?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:05 pm to Dale51
quote:
And if it's the law? If it came to that, who's side would you support..your countries or the aliens?
If it's the law? Like I said, Atlas is Shrugging. I am to the point of supporting MY side, no one else's. At least the illegal aliens have a work ethic that is lacked by the American poors w/ their hands out.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 6:09 pm to Dale51
quote:
What if all it took was to check a data base. "You're legal..welcome to the team....you're not. Bye"?
It's apparent that you're being ideological. It doesn't work that way. The Federal gov't Democrats & a lot of Republicans will oppose it & the media will carry it as negative.
Best case scenario it gets passed down to the states for them to administer. State gov't is even worse.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:11 pm to DupontsCircle
The dumbest thing is they have no rights...unless they commit a crime. Another thing that has me worried is when things start getting real, I'm willing to bet some of these illegals would prefer life in an American prison over being deported. I got my permit and fixing to be carrying...as soon as I can make up my mind on Sig or Glock.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:12 pm to DupontsCircle
Are you an alter?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:37 pm to alphaandomega
quote:
Being here is illegal and we should deport every one of them. If they have had a child here, then that child is an American citizen. The child can remain here either as a ward of the state or with a legal (citizen) guardian. Or the child can return home with the parents and be readmitted as an adult. But the parents should be blacklisted from ever entering the United States again.
Hell no. If a child doesn’t have at least one parent who is an American citizen, then that child is not an American citizen, and Trump promised to end birth right citizenship as well. So let’s hold him to it.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:39 pm to alphaandomega
The reason people are Dhimmicrats is because they are not very smart people, which is why they always vote against their own self interests.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:44 pm to Mir
They are going to be quality citizens, quality citizens all right stealing our jobs, driving down wages for all, and loyal voting Dhimmicrats.
Yeah right. Go fly a kite.
Yeah right. Go fly a kite.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:59 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:
It's apparent that you're being ideological.
It's apparent you're living in the past. There's a new sensibility rising..
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:01 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:
I am to the point of supporting MY side, no one else's. At least the illegal aliens have a work ethic that is lacked by the American poors w/ their hands out.
So you side with the invaders over your country. Thanks you for the honesty.
Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:10 am to Dale51
Dale, why don't you just come out & say what you're thinking? Maybe you have a point, maybe you don't. But all you're doing is spewing BS that you don't know what you're talking about. But to recap:
I'm tired of doing the government's work via collection & identification. But I'm the bad guy because I'm tired of doing it for free. I think the gov't needs to eliminate hand outs for capable Americans because they won't take jobs that the illegals will. We charge the illegals a surtax & cut the benefits to the losers. Once benefits are cut, and we withstand the backlash, they'll go to work & the illegals will leave.
Now, it seems to me that you think employers should take yet another step of doing the government's work for them. Isn't that the definition of fascism? That the governments essentially control private industry? Isn't that what we're doing already?
Come back w/ something thought out next time, that's a little more than tweet quality.
I'm tired of doing the government's work via collection & identification. But I'm the bad guy because I'm tired of doing it for free. I think the gov't needs to eliminate hand outs for capable Americans because they won't take jobs that the illegals will. We charge the illegals a surtax & cut the benefits to the losers. Once benefits are cut, and we withstand the backlash, they'll go to work & the illegals will leave.
Now, it seems to me that you think employers should take yet another step of doing the government's work for them. Isn't that the definition of fascism? That the governments essentially control private industry? Isn't that what we're doing already?
Come back w/ something thought out next time, that's a little more than tweet quality.
Page 7 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News