re: Let's think critically about illegal immigration...

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What course of action do you suggest?

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Wherever one stands on immigration and solutions, state sanctioned execution of non-violent individuals should not be among the possibilities.

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nothing can be implemented without first identifying the applicable targets.

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Haven't we already identified that we are discussing those who have immigrated here illegally? And even more so, those who commit other crimes, especially violent crimes?

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How do you think this first step be done?

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There doesn't seem to be much controversy over those who commit violent crimes. Lets start with them. I personally think that, depending on the severity (e.g., murder, rape, kidnapping), deporting them is a poor choice since they can return and they are being let off easy for their crimes and probably will commit them again, regardless of their location.

But we least have a pretty reasonable and non-controversial place to start.

There is no other country in the world that allows illegal immigrants to stay, much less give them government benefits or driver's licenses.

(Unless you are a "refugee")

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Three options: a) humane deportation b) amnesty c) look the other way Whichever one costs us the least, do that.

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You missed the most important question imo. Before anything can be done, identification of the criminals is necessary. How should this be done?

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There is no other country in the world that allows illegal immigrants to stay, much less give them government benefits or driver's licenses.

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America: Home of the Stupid

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I can promise you one thing. If I was a poor Mexican person living in shite, I'd be sneaking my arse into the US for work and better living conditions. And I'm fairly certain a majority of the posters here would do the same.

I have a bit of empathy for illegals coming here

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Yeah. I've never understood how little empathy some people have for the individuals who come here for the chance of a better opportunity for their families, which includes hard work, an education for their children, etc.

Personally, I care about people that share these values, regardless of their citizenship status. I prefer a hardworking illegal immigrant vs. a lazy citizen who spends his/her life leaching.

Even if people want them deported, I don't see how they can't at least understand WHY people come here illegally.

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You missed the most important question imo. Before anything can be done, identification of the criminals is necessary. How should this be done?

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I don't really care. If the presence of illegals in this country is what is keeping you from succeeding in this country, we don't really need you around.

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eah. I've never understood how little empathy some people have for the individuals who come here for the chance of a better opportunity for their families,

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Because frick those people. Stay in your own country and build a life. America isn't buffet where there's free admission for all.

I'm not here to feed the world.

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None of that actually addresses the questions I asked.

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You mean how to identify criminals?

Just like any other time a crime is committed (investigate, charge, prosecute). If illegal immigrants are convicted of a violent crime, then they are sent to prison like anybody else. If they aren't convicted, but indicted, then I think that would be enough to deport them.

I feel like that's a good start, and it's part of the same processes already in place.

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You could use that same reasoning about most criminal activity..."Just trying to make for better living conditions..you know...for the children".

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But there is reasoning to whether the argument has validity. Like Kohlberg's stages of moral reasoning.

Or just like in Batman Begins. Bruce Wayne understood those that steal food because they're starving, but that's clearly different than the Joker later robbing banks just for the fun of it.

A person who immigrates here illegally (technically a misdemeanor), but then proceeds to work-hard, to feed and shelter his family, and attempt to get his children a quality education, WHILE not committing any other crimes, then that person is vastly different than people who commit violent crimes, citizen or or not.

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But they keep coming back, Fun Bunch. They keep coming back.

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So why the frick are we letting them in? Shooting them isn't the answer to that problem.