re: Lerner's Blackberry "Wiped clean" after launch of congressional investigation

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That article is shite...

Destroyed =\= Wiped Clean

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Your reading comprehension is shite. BTW, that was a direct quote from the IRSs declaration. In their own words........

"...was removed or wiped clean of any sensitive or proprietary information"

Removed and wiped clean in this context means the same thing. They removed the info i.e. wiped the device clean.

"....and removed as scrap for disposal"

So they did both. They removed or "wiped" the data. Then they sent it to be physically destroyed as scrap.

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All of the time. Cell phones aren't a method of record keeping.

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:wow: gif.

About the most clueless thing I have read in a long time.

Virtually all corporations have a clear stipulation that in any pending or threatened litigation/investigation, you do not delete or clear a damn thing. There is no 'feel free' to destroy a current depository under the hope our backup has it.

I can understand ignorance, but consider keeping it to yourself.

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Most corporate cell phones won't keep 3-4 years worth of e-mails and it is standard practice to destroy / wipe the drives when the phones are recycled. Current best practice is to keep a minimum amount of e-mails (1-2 weeks) on a cell phone.

All of her e-mails will likely be recovered and the only thing we will discover is that she was a complete waste of payroll... which won't come as a shock to anyone. But don't let me stop the circle jerk.

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Not this ignorance again.

Time and time again I see liberal non-techie talking points like this. Please stop. You are truly embarrassing yourself.

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You don't find this to be part of an uncanny series of related incidents?

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Of course, but the idiots on here automatically assume EVERYTHING is associated in someway.

News report: "Lerner took a shite, 2 days after finding out about investigation"

Idiots here: "See, she knew she was in trouble and was nervous... Not a smidgen of corruption".



All I'm saying is that article is complete shite... They are emphasizing "wiped clean" in order to rabble rabble rabble when they could have simply said that it was destroyed. Yeah yeah, they are quoting someone, but again, emphasizing wiped clean to stir people up.

Could there be something here, most definitely.... but a blog blurb, that has no real information, should be taken with a grain of salt.

Now like I asked in my previous post is WHY are they claiming it was destroyed and additionally, what laws does she have to abide by in holding onto the phone? (Guess that depends on level of investigation?)

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Do you have any idea how deeply layered the federal government is? In order for Obama to be involved at all would mean for him to be personally involved with a single manager at an operational level which would require a strong personal trusting relationship.

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Obama's too smart to have told Lois Lerner "I want you abuse the power of the IRS to harass these Tea Party groups."

He would never come out and say it much less put it in writing. My guess is that it was done with a wink and a nod, via Jarrett. Who would also be too smart to come out and say or write it. It was just understood.

"Will someone not rid me of this meddlesome Tea Party?"

With apologies to Henry II and Thomas a Becket.

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Now like I asked in my previous post is WHY are they claiming it was destroyed and additionally, what laws does she have to abide by in holding onto the phone? (Guess that depends on level of investigation?)

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destroyed or wiped clean. What difference does it make what words they used.......the end result is the same. No data was recoverable from the phone. The problem I have with this "investigation" is that her computer and phone were not confiscated immediately and the IRS apparently did not follow proper protocol.

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What difference does it make what words they used...

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Bc wiped clean infers nefarious actions and also could infer she wiped it in order to use it again or turn if over with nothing on it.

I'd bet when they are destroyed under whatever protocol, they are erased and then destroyed. So what's the fricking point of emphasizing wiped clean when it doesn't really matter bc it was destroyed. Oh yeah, to pander to the rabble rousers.


I think Lerner is absolutely guilty of orchestrating targeting, but that doesn't mean I have to assume every bit of "info" is an indication of guilt.

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Of course, but the idiots on here automatically assume EVERYTHING is associated in someway.

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These specific issues ARE associated. They are major components of an investigation and are of evidentiary value. A judge demanded the IRS to submit declarations under oath regarding THESE issues. In all cases, from multiple sources, the evidence was either lost, destroyed or unrecoverable.

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They are emphasizing "wiped clean" in order to rabble rabble rabble when they could have simply said that it was destroyed. Yeah yeah, they are quoting someone, but again, emphasizing wiped clean to stir people up.

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So your main complaint is that they didn't water down the verbiage (which happens to be part of the IRSs statement) in order to soften it? It would have sounded even more damning if they had included both.....wiped and destroyed.

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Could there be something here, most definitely.... but a blog blurb, that has no real information, should be taken with a grain of salt.

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You do realize they linked the official court declarations on the page don't you? The very same one they quoted from.

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Now like I asked in my previous post is WHY are they claiming it was destroyed and additionally, what laws does she have to abide by in holding onto the phone? (Guess that depends on level of investigation?)

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Any depository of information with evidentiary value to an active investigation must be secured. This is simple common sense.

Benghazi fizzled on them so I guess it's back to the IRS for Fox and friends.

This thread is so ridiculously hackish I feel cheap just to dignify it with a response, but I guess I'll give it a go, anyway.

There is NO backup system for IRS files of the Lerner type beyond what John Koskinen has already testified to Congress, a Blackberry is not an email backup repository, there was no "launch of a congressional investigation" by June 2012, the IRS has probably already provided every email from the hard drive crash period, there has never been a smidgeon of data or correspondence or anything else that would indicate the White House instructed the IRS to target anybody.

There's a good reason that other news networks have not reported on this supposed SHOCKER... those networks know that only Fox fans are hackish enough to think it means anything.

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Benghazi fizzled on them

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I didn't fizzle on 4 Americans - essentially left out to dry by their superiors in D.C.

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I guess it's back to the IRS for Fox and friends.

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You know that the parallel court proceedings and Congressional proceedings were always going to take a while - when the head of an agency shows up to a Congressional hearing, proclaims innocence, then takes the Fifth and steps the f*ck off - that is never going to be resolved quickly. The Watergate hearings took months, years, to fully resolve.

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there has never been a smidgeon of data or correspondence or anything else that would indicate the White House instructed the IRS to target anybody

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So, they just did it for sport? To see if they could get away with it? You guys should know that if this is okay for your side to do it, it will be done by the other side. This should be one of the worst fears by those who value political freedom and freedom of speech - but, because it's your side doing it - you think it is no big deal.

AND they're going to be running health care too.