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re: Just a reminder: Turkey has nukes
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:40 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:40 pm to crazy4lsu
India's Muslim population is about 13%. Hardly a large segment of the population.
The Indians are being terrorized by the muslims too.
I don't think it is intellectual honest to infer the Muslim population is of any significance in regard to the Russian Indian relationship.
The Indians are being terrorized by the muslims too.
I don't think it is intellectual honest to infer the Muslim population is of any significance in regard to the Russian Indian relationship.
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:44 pm to upgrayedd
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I think that's a tertiary concern at this point in time.
For the Turks? It's their main concern. 20 percent of Turkey is Kurdish. An independent Kurdistan is something they don't ever want to see, lest it gives cause their own Kurds. It's the literal reason why Turkey enacted Euphrates Shield, as they are fighting the SDF mainly, while also attempting to fight ISIS.
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Assad has bigger fish to fry in his backyard.
Assad is basically supported by the Russians and Iranian trained militias. If there isn't a peace deal, he isn't going to beat the FSA, ISIS, Al-Nusra and the SDF. The Turks and Russians disagree about Assad, which is why the Russians supporting Turkey on the Kurdish question might entice them to support Assad, if not directly. Turkey has supported the FSA from the beginning, as the officers (a Lt. Col. also by the name of Assad was the first) who declared asylum in Turkey became the backbone of the FSA. If Russia can convince Turkey to drop support of the FSA, the rebel-held West might fall, which would ease the burden of Aleppo, as it is precariously stationed in a small sliver of land with FSA lands to the west and ISIS to the east.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Well, I guess it sucks that 10% of his country is muslim.
Say what you want about Putin, but that guy would kill every Muslim alive to preserve his culture and wouldn't lose a second of sleep over it.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:54 pm to scrooster
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But y'all know what the OP meant.
The nukes are there ... The Pluto Missile Project has been in place for decades all over Europe and The Middle East ... but there has never been a real threat like there is now.
Exactly, not a good place for nukes to be with the potential breakdown of command and control of those weapons. It's a real concern that shite could spiral out of control and then we've got a real frickin problem.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:55 pm to crazy4lsu
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For the Turks? It's their main concern. 20 percent of Turkey is Kurdish. An independent Kurdistan is something they don't ever want to see, lest it gives cause their own Kurds. It's the literal reason why Turkey enacted Euphrates Shield, as they are fighting the SDF mainly, while also attempting to fight ISIS.
No, for the Syrians. If the goal is to get involved more in Syria (the assassin was ranting about Aleppo), then Russia would have to start going after the rebels. Saying you're going to help the Syrians regain control of their country by fighting rebels and ISIS then turning around and immediately bombing Kurds doesn't really make a whole lot of sense from a basic PR standpoint.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:56 pm to Mud_Till_May
This thread has a few key figures who know what they talking about but is largely questionable geographically and factually.
Disclaimer for those reading through who don't know much about this.
Disclaimer for those reading through who don't know much about this.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:02 pm to upgrayedd
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Saying you're going to help the Syrians regain control of their country by fighting rebels and ISIS then turning around and immediately bombing Kurds doesn't really make a whole lot of sense from a basic PR standpoint.
You know that the SDF, a rebel group that is made up of Kurds right? And they control the whole northern portion of the country, with the west controlled by the FSA and ISIS controlling the largest portion in the southeast. The government controls a smaller portion in the southwest. In order for the government to get control, they'd have to defeat a lot of different rebel groups and spend years more fighting, unless there is a peace deal.
Also neither country gives a shite about PR either.
Syria under Assad won't ever have the level of control it had pre-war.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:04 pm to LSURussian
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The nukes on Turkish soil are under the control of NATO, not Turkey.
Well that make me fee SO MUCH better.......
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:05 pm to Mud_Till_May
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If turkey turns into Syria then it will be very serious on the world front.
Dude....
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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You know that the SDF, a rebel group that is made up of Kurds right? And they control the whole northern portion of the country, with the west controlled by the FSA and ISIS controlling the largest portion in the southeast. The government controls a smaller portion in the southwest. In order for the government to get control, they'd have to defeat a lot of different rebel groups and spend years more fighting, unless there is a peace deal.
Man it is refreshing having you around.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:07 pm to Mud_Till_May
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Mothers will send their sons to war and their daughters to the factories while they work in the fields.
This is not your grandfathers europe. The sand frickers have infiltrated them and liberalism has overrun them
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:08 pm to crazy4lsu
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You know that the SDF, a rebel group that is made up of Kurds right? And they control the whole northern portion of the country, with the west controlled by the FSA and ISIS controlling the largest portion in the southeast. The government controls a smaller portion in the southwest. In order for the government to get control, they'd have to defeat a lot of different rebel groups and spend years more fighting, unless there is a peace deal.
I guess I'm going with the assumption that ISIS is the leading priority.
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Also neither country gives a shite about PR either.
I think they do to an extent. Russia can't endure too many more crippling sanctions economically.
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Syria under Assad won't ever have the level of control it had pre-war.
True.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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they are fighting the SDF mainly, while also attempting to fight ISIS
It's such a strange relationship, because the SDF and Turkey are doing joint operations south of Kobani. Obviously there is huge beef there, but a lot of the SDF has deliberately divorced itself from the YPG/PKK connection in order to foster this relationship. There are also several SDF units that are Arab.
What a nightmare.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:09 pm to MrCarton
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Man it is refreshing having you around.
Same to you.
People here are alarmingly misinformed.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:09 pm to VolInBavaria
Yes I did
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:10 pm to upgrayedd
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I guess I'm going with the assumption that ISIS is the leading priority.
It hasn't been for Turkey. It is for the US. Turkey is still "fighting" ISIL because we are leaning on them to do so, but there are so many ISIL connections in Turkish intelligand government that it's been a weak effort.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:11 pm to MrCarton
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It's such a strange relationship
This war in particular is characterized by those contingent relationships. It's amazingly fluid and really hard to follow. Thank god for twitter.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:12 pm to crazy4lsu
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Same to you.
I have an excellent excuse for being at least a little bit knowledgeable on this crap, you are just a freak man. I don't know how you keep up!
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:13 pm to crazy4lsu
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This war in particular is characterized by those contingent relationships. It's amazingly fluid and really hard to follow. Thank god for twitter.
Yep and the will change in one millisecond too. Unfortunately Policy doesn't move so fast, and neither do intel assessments.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:14 pm to Mud_Till_May
Turkey isn't in the EU.
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