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Judge appointed by O'Bama rules illegals can legally carry firearms and ammo

Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:21 pm
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An illegal immigrant was wrongly banned from possessing guns, according to a recent ruling.

A federal law, Section 922 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, bars illegal immigrants from carrying guns or ammunition. Prosecutors charged Heriberto Carbajal-Flores, the illegal alien, in 2020 after he was found in Chicago carrying a semi-automatic pistol despite “knowing he was an alien illegally and unlawfully in the United States.”

U.S. District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman rejected two motions to dismiss, but the third motion, based on a 2022 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, triggered the dismissal of the case on March 8.

“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Coleman, appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her 8-page ruling. “Thus, the court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”

Lawyers for Mr. Carbajal-Flores had argued in the most recent motion to dismiss that the government could not show that the law in question was “part of the historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.”

In 2022, the Supreme Court determined that the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment “presumptively protects” conduct that is covered by the amendment’s “plain text.”

To justify regulations, governments must show that each regulation “is consistent with this nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation,” the high court said at the time. “Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this nation’s historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s ‘unqualified command,’” it said.

“Lifetime disarmament of an individual based on alienage or nationality alone does not have roots in the history and tradition of the United States,” Mr. Carbajal-Flores’s lawyers argued.

They pointed to several rulings interpreting the Supreme Court’s decision, including an appeals court ruling that declared stripping a man convicted of a nonviolent crime of his gun rights was unconstitutional.

The government opposed the motion, noting that neither of the cited decisions applied to illegal immigrants and that the defendant ignored other rulings that did, including a 2023 ruling that found that Second Amendment rights aren’t afforded to illegal immigrants. The government also offered examples of laws that prohibited certain categories of people from carrying guns, including “individuals who threatened the social order through their untrustworthy adherence to the rule of law.”

But Judge Coleman ruled for the defendant, finding that the laws against untrustworthy people contained exceptions for people who signed loyalty oaths and were deemed nonviolent.

“The government argues that Carbajal-Flores is a noncitizen who is unlawfully present in this country. The court notes, however, that Carbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020,” she wrote.

“Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants. The court finds that Carbajal-Flores’ criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly and should be deprived of his Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense.”

An attorney representing Mr. Carbajal-Flores declined to comment. Federal prosecutors didn’t respond to a request for comment.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 6:23 pm
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:28 pm to
So by incorporating illegal aliens into 'the people' for 2A rights, this grants them other rights, like voting.

-Dept of Injustice
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 6:46 pm
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:30 pm to
the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizens
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:33 pm to
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he was found in Chicago carrying a semi-automatic pistol despite “knowing he was an alien illegally and unlawfully in the United States.”



Kinda tough not to be a bit on his side given his location

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Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants. The court finds that Carbajal-Flores’ criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly


I like him more than millions of American Citizens

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his Second Amendment right to bear arms


Posted by lsufan112001
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:35 pm to

the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizens
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Stupidest shite I’ve seen in a while
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421771 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:35 pm to
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So by incorporating illegal aliens into 'the people' for 2A rightsm, this grants then other rights, like voting.

No it doesn't.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:37 pm to
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Stupidest shite I’ve seen in a while

Take it up with James Madison
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:39 pm to
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the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizens


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We the People of the United States,


illegals are not "people of the United States". they are illegal victors and do not enjoy the same rights as citizens.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:39 pm to
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illegal


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gainfully employed


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:40 pm to
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illegals are not "people of the United States". t

"We the people" has nothing to do with this.

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they are illegal victors and do not enjoy the same rights as citizens.

This isn't the law and hasn't really ever been the law, but for sure since the late 1800s
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
431 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:42 pm to
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the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizens



Correct. Those rights come from God. Anyone disagrees with this must think they're rights come from gment
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
2019 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:43 pm to
So where the flip does he go buy a gun without ID or a background check? And are we going to extend the same courtesy to law-abiding citizens?

Da Fuq is going on around here?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:46 pm to
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So where the flip does he go buy a gun without ID or a background check?

Private party sale
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:48 pm to
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is gainfully employed


isn't it illegal to hire them?

Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:48 pm to
"We the people" refers to who wrote it, not who it applies to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:49 pm to
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Correct. Those rights come from God. Anyone disagrees with this must think they're rights come from gment


Correct.

Sounds like some people are angry that our government cant ban people from having firearms.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:49 pm to
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the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizens
Criminals are subject to surrendering their rights.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:50 pm to
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the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizen


False. The mere presence of illegals being in this country is a) illegal and b) we have laws about criminals carrying firearms.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21856 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:51 pm to
How many times must this be said?

The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to arms, but instead constrains government from infringing on the natural right to bear arms

Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39169 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:52 pm to
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Criminals are subject to surrendering their rights.

Some of them. They've also been convicted of a crime.
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