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re: Its official U of Alabama is racist
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:02 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:02 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I do not think any person or group exercising freedom and rights should EVER be subjected to the boot of authority.
I remember the outcry the last time the Klan had a resurgence - late-70s to mid-80s - (federal desegregation orders were the catalyst, primarily, for you youngsters) - and they somehow acquired time on cable access channels in Alabama (among others).
Those programs were an absolute hoot - I'm sure it was a source of some entertainment - but more importantly, it put their "ideas" out in the marketplace to be examined, studied, and rejected. Pushing them underground (in a very similar way as substances are made illegal), grants them a mystery and aura they do not deserve. It also gives them unearned martydom status.
The bright light of public examination (call it shame, if you must, but no one is above criticism, right? - well one notable exception, but, that too, shall pass) is the great crucible of a free society. It quickly sifts through what has merit and what does not.
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Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Wearing that "Saban is GOD" Shirt to church was a bad choice.
That would be apostasy. Saban is no higher than any of the 12 disciples.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:I'm kind of with you on that, provided we're consistent in that approach across the board. Clearly the action of the university and the fraternity in question is discriminatory. I have a problem with a university acquiescing to that type of blatant discrimination. But I can live with it as long as the school is consistent. However, consistency in issues like this leads to larger problems areas. For example, scholarships set aside for one particular race. UCLA, among other schools, has them for black students. The goal, the intent is good. But on its face the set-aside is discriminatory. One might even call it racist. However we resolve this kind of anachronistic practice, all I ask is that we be consistent in doing it. One set of rules for everybody.
Beyond "shame and shun" by people that think differently, there is nothing to be done.
I do not think any person or group exercising freedom and rights should EVER be subjected to the boot of authority.
The decision is right. The administration should do nothing.
I, and those that feel as I do, can and should ignore / shame them. THAT alone should be the consequence of this.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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The group's national organization would beg to differ.
Only if the national organization withdraws the chapter charter. That doesn't always happen, especially if the organization disagrees with the university's actions. Again it's their right to do so. They're a private organization with no federal funding, so they can do basically as they please with regard to internal policies.
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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The bright light of public examination (call it shame, if you must, but no one is above criticism, right? - well one notable exception, but, that too, shall pass) is the great crucible of a free society. It quickly sifts through what has merit and what does not.
Hooray for pillories! I merely suggest the shame potentates apply the shame equally to all offending parties as defined by all aggrieved parties.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:13 pm to L.A.
I do try to be fair and consistent. I am human, so I sometimes fail.
I do see some difference in official school policy and private organizations of students.
But, I get the point and am open to exploring that policy. In general, I agree with you.
I do see some difference in official school policy and private organizations of students.
But, I get the point and am open to exploring that policy. In general, I agree with you.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:15 pm to NYNolaguy1
Again I would like to note that Tuba starts a semi-troll thread, and promptly abandons it.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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So just because an organization is private, it can't also be racist?
Of course it's racist. If they are intentionally keeping out people because of skin color. It could be that it isn't so much racism, but that maybe the sorority has different interests or cultural norms that don't fit the interests and culture that black women are accustomed to. With Greek institutions, you usually have to fit the mold and you can't deny that there are large cultural differences between black and white people. It's not a bad or negative thing, but there are big differences.
Regardless, even if it is true blatant racism, then a private institution has the right to be that way.
Would you rather know they are racist and know to avoid that place and not support it or to use Government to force integration and then support a secretly racist place with your money.
Regardless of the laws on the books, you can't change how people think. It would be better to know who is racist than not know and ultimately blindly support a person or group of people that don't like you.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:19 pm to son of arlo
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Hooray for pillories!
Where did I suggest that? I clearly indicated that it should be OKAY to put the Klan on cable access. They want to speak? Let them speak (and remove all doubt)...
Just like censorship, freedom of speech in a public form also cuts both ways.
If you're right, you're right. If you're wrong, you shouldn be able to be told you're wrong - and why.
I have always assumed this was the foundation of even having freedom of speech and a marketplace of ideas.
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:21 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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IIRC from when this first came out, this seemed to truly be organic change, not forced integration. Weren't these black girls accepted into the sorority by their peers, but it was older alumni who had a problem and made sure these girls couldn't join? To me that is forcing IN racism.
In this case it is extremely racist. If the current members were ok with the black girls then they should be allowed in.
It does cause a catch 22 because the alumni donate tons of money to the sorority, and money = control. That's why sometimes real change takes time..once the current members become alumni then they'll support the next generations decisions regarding these issues.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:22 pm to son of arlo
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I merely suggest the shame potentates apply the shame equally to all offending parties as defined by all aggrieved parties.
Or we could just let people "shame" whatever they want to "shame." Why do you hate freedom?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:23 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Again I would like to note that Tuba starts a semi-troll thread, and promptly abandons it.
Oh no this was a full-troll thread, he just failed again.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:25 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:Me too, although it raises the larger issue of the school's mission. Education is a great democratizer. At what point do university officials step in and say to the fraternity, "We support your right to be discriminatory in your private views, practices, beliefs, etc. You just can't do it here on school property." In other words, are they (school officials) allowing something that is antithetical to the schools mission? And if they are, should they stop it or allow it? I don't know the answer yet. I'm mulling it.
I do see some difference in official school policy and private organizations of students.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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I have always assumed this was the foundation of even having freedom of speech and a marketplace of ideas.
Sure it is as long as your speech is correct and your ideas are proper.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:25 pm to deltaland
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With Greek institutions, you usually have to fit the mold and you can't deny that there are large cultural differences between black and white people.
Reminds me of the color line in MLB - the powers that be carefully selected Robinson because of his decidedly middle class, "more in common with the average white person than average black person" credentials. The way he spoke, conducted his private affairs, etc.
Ignored was his reputation as a "rabble rouser", in contrast to Jesse Owens who worked within the system, Robinson had demonstrated he was unafraid to stand up for himself - and he was courtmartialed for this while serving as an officer in the US Army.
But, the last thing they wanted was a baseball version of Jack Johnson - or even Joe Louis (who's private life was a mess, despite his public presentation) - because any slip up would have set back the entire integration plan.
Not saying any of this is right - if you can do the job, or are otherwise qualified, you should get the spot, place, membership, etc.
However, being the "first" or "only" of anything is a significant burden - you don't want to mess it up for everybody else. *cough* Obama *cough*.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:26 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Agreed. That is one of the reasons I disagree with making discrimination illegal. Let them. Then people can publicly shame them on any forum they wish.
Or we could just let people "shame" whatever they want to "shame." Why do you hate freedom?
If the shame doesn't bother them, then so be it. People will react to that accordingly.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:27 pm to son of arlo
quote:We all know that is an understatement.
That would be apostasy. Saban is no higher than any of the 12 disciples.
Hell, Saban is barely higher than their waists.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:29 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Or we could just let people "shame" whatever they want to "shame."
I'm OK with that. Let's revoke the laws that prohibit people from standing outside an abortion clinic.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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Hell, Saban is barely higher than their waists.
OMG! He's wearing a purple tie. He must still love LSU!
Posted on 3/29/14 at 12:35 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I do not think any person or group exercising freedom and rights should EVER be subjected to the boot of authority. The decision is right. The administration should do nothing. I, and those that feel as I do, can and should ignore / shame them. THAT alone should be the consequence of this.
I couldn't agree more.
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