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Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:13 pm to Rex
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Nixon committed a crime by obstructing the prosecution of crimes.
Actually Nixon was never found guilty. In fact, Clinton's impeachment proceedings went further along than Nixon's.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:18 pm to Rex
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Rex
If Obama were to order all officials to turn over all related documents and to cooperate with Congressional oversight, would this committee be necessary?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:18 pm to TrueTiger
More facts. Nasty things really. I'm always amused when someone states strongly states something as fact, then it is clearly pointed out that they are wrong, and they change their point of attack, forgetting they keep losing little battles along the way.
I find the interwebz fun on days I have nothing better to do. In fact, there is this banker on here. A nice guy I'm sure. I just like baiting bankers from time to time.
I find the interwebz fun on days I have nothing better to do. In fact, there is this banker on here. A nice guy I'm sure. I just like baiting bankers from time to time.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:20 pm to TrueTiger
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Actually Nixon was never found guilty.
OJ was not convicted of murder...but, he made Pez dispensers out of two people.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:23 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
OJ was found not guilty. I know, I watched it. 
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:23 pm to TrueTiger
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Actually Nixon was never found guilty.
Would not have mattered. His complete pardon was granted just six weeks after the articles of impeachment were voted on by the House Judiciary Committee.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:30 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Did you just refer to yourself as "the intelligent"?
He'll double-down on it later. He's like after-dinner entertainment.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:34 pm to Clames
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He'll double-down on it later. He's like after-dinner entertainment.
Surprised he hasn't jumped in on the circumcision thread yet
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:34 pm to boosiebadazz
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I'm curious to see if Joe Citizen and Jane Housewife are as enamored by Benghazi as the posters here are.
Probably not.
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I could see this going either way for the Republicans.
Disagree. If something comes of it, then yeah it'll be a big deal. If nothing does, then I don't see it backfiring.
People don't care about this type of stuff. I can remember a handful of "big government events" people have cared about in the last 14 years.
-9/11
-2008 election
-The ACA vote & SC case
-SOPA/PIPA (for a few weeks)
-Kony (for a few days)
-2012 election
-The Great Government Shutdown (added in edit. this may be a reach though.)
Other than that, I can't think of many times the public has really been engaged politically. Even then a few of those have been isolated to a certain demographic (Kony and SOPA).
People just don't give a shite these days.
ETA: I'm sure I'm missing a few. Regardless, the fact still stands that it takes something BIG for people to truly care.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:03 pm to Srbtiger06
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People don't care about this type of stuff.
Rasmussen Poll from JANUARY 2014:
" Just 28% now rate the administration’s explanation of the events surrounding the murder of the ambassador and the others as good or excellent. That’s down nine points from a high of 37% in October. Forty-five percent (45%) give the administration poor marks for the Benghazi matter, the highest level of dissatisfaction to date.
"Seventy-eight percent (78%) think it is at least somewhat important to find out exactly what happened in the events surrounding the murder of the four Americans in Libya, with 47% who say it is Very Important. Nineteen percent (19%) view getting to the bottom of the Benghazi incident as unimportant, but that includes just four percent (4%) who say it’s Not At All Important. This is in line with attitudes since last April. "
"46% of Likely U.S. Voters think the circumstances surrounding the murder of the U.S. ambassador and three other U.S. Embassy employees in Libya will hurt the former secretary of State if she runs for president in 2016. That’s up from 43% in late October. "
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:09 pm to NHTIGER
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Seventy-eight percent (78%) think it is at least somewhat important to find out exactly what happened in the events surrounding the murder of the four Americans in Libya, with 47% who say it is Very Important.
polling like this is very suspect. Heck this won't affect my vote at all, and I would respond yes I think its important to know what happened.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:13 pm to Hawkeye95
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polling like this is very suspect
You think Rasmussen fudged the numbers?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:16 pm to NHTIGER
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You think Rasmussen fudged the numbers?
not at all. I am sure that they answered it, but what are respondents going to say - the truth isn't important? I dont want to know? its a loaded question.
Same thing as the appeals - "think of the kids" who doesn't like kids? You certainly won't admit if you dont.
I would be blown away if 50% of the people polled could even tell you what country benghazi is in.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:36 pm to Hawkeye95
How about Quinnipiac ? Note the TREND of their 3 polls on this question:
Quinnipiac University. Jan. 4-7, 2014. N=1,487 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 2.5.
"Do you think the Obama administration deliberately misled the American people about the events surrounding the death of the American ambassador to Libya, or do you believe the Obama administration shared the facts with the American people as they became available?"
January 4th - 7th, 2014
Deliberately misled: 52%
Shared facts as became available: 46%
Unsure/No answer: 11%
May 22nd-28th, 2013
Deliberately misled: 46%
Shared facts as became available: 40%
Unsure/No answer: 13%
November 28th-Dec. 3rd, 2012
Deliberately misled: 41%
Shared facts as became available: 47%
Unsure/No answer: 12%
The point is that the responses are trending against the Administration as time goes by, as more information is known..
Quinnipiac University. Jan. 4-7, 2014. N=1,487 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 2.5.
"Do you think the Obama administration deliberately misled the American people about the events surrounding the death of the American ambassador to Libya, or do you believe the Obama administration shared the facts with the American people as they became available?"
January 4th - 7th, 2014
Deliberately misled: 52%
Shared facts as became available: 46%
Unsure/No answer: 11%
May 22nd-28th, 2013
Deliberately misled: 46%
Shared facts as became available: 40%
Unsure/No answer: 13%
November 28th-Dec. 3rd, 2012
Deliberately misled: 41%
Shared facts as became available: 47%
Unsure/No answer: 12%
The point is that the responses are trending against the Administration as time goes by, as more information is known..
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:42 pm to Alahunter
The key is the term "select" committee. A select committee has a much broader jurisdiction. Up until now, all the investigations were done by specific committees that had jurisdiction limited to purview of that individual committee.
A "select" committee from the House is selected by the House and it's jurisdiction is determined by new legislation that will be passed by the house.
Depending on how the legislation is written, the committee will be allowed much, much, broader powers to investigate not only the State Dept. involvement, but the CIA, the military, and the White House.
In order to investigate each of those areas of the scandal, it would have required three different committees.
A "select" committee from the House is selected by the House and it's jurisdiction is determined by new legislation that will be passed by the house.
Depending on how the legislation is written, the committee will be allowed much, much, broader powers to investigate not only the State Dept. involvement, but the CIA, the military, and the White House.
In order to investigate each of those areas of the scandal, it would have required three different committees.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:46 pm to SavageOrangeJug
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:49 pm to NHTIGER
NHTIGER why does the one in Jan not add up to 100%?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:56 pm to StrangeBrew
No one cares about Benghazi. I mean no one. Poll after poll shows that no one cares. Most republicans don't care.
This will go nowhere. The GOP would get better traction bashing immigrants and gays.
This will go nowhere. The GOP would get better traction bashing immigrants and gays.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:57 pm to StrangeBrew
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NHTIGER why does the one in Jan not add up to 100%?
The table did not transfer as it appears so I had to reconstruct it while watching the Cardinals-Braves game and not paying close enough attention. The correct "shared facts as they became available" number is 37%, not 46%, clarifying the trend. (I picked up the 46% from the first line on the 2013 poll.)
Good catch - much appreciated .
eta: it represents a 21 point swing from the same pollster, from -6 to +15.
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This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 9:04 pm
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