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re: Is this part of the wussification of boys?

Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by windshieldman
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:40 pm to
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Most LL games are played in the daytime on fields that don't even have lights and the game can be called if it takes so long it gets too dark to play.


I played many LL games at night. I've never played on a field that didn't have lights, I'm sure many don't though.

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Boys who love playing baseball want to play the full game because there is always a chance to come back and win.


Of course they do, I don't question that. They don't have to go to work the next day though. Also, games during the day usually have other games following that game. You don't want all the games being pushed back. Extra innings with a close game I understand. Losing 12-2 in the 5th inning, in a 6 inning game I don't see the point.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:43 pm to
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The rule was put into effect so that the boys on the losing team did not have to experience being humiliated.


You're making shite up. Most places have time limits on games because there's a game this hour, then the next hour, etc. there are many rules that are made to help games keep time limits. 10 batters max per inning, mercy rule, and even some leagues have players start with one automatic strike. I played with these rules in the 1980's, and they had nothing to do with kids' feelings. They had to do with running business and getting families home at a decent hour. You need to knock this stupid shite off. We all know you're the toughest guy on the board—you've nothing left to prove.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21251 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:45 pm to
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Shout out to all the homies picking on kids for crying when they're better at baseball than you are at anything.



Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:45 pm to
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The lesson you never learned is that it's just a game that doesn't matter.


You obviously never played baseball.

Baseball is more than boys having fun.

Baseball is a metaphor for life.

It's teaching boys about teamwork, competition, humility and perseverance.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:51 pm to
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You're making shite up. Most places have time limits on games because there's a game this hour, then the next hour, etc. there are many rules that are made to help games keep time limits. 10 batters max per inning, mercy rule, and even some leagues have players start with one automatic strike. I played with these rules in the 1980's, and they had nothing to do with kids' feelings. They had to do with running business and getting families home at a decent hour. You need to knock this stupid shite off. We all know you're the toughest guy on the board—you've nothing left to prove.


More BS.

I played LL in the 50s when we had none of those rules and parents had no problem getting home at a "decent hour".
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:52 pm to
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You obviously never played baseball. Baseball is more than boys having fun. Baseball is a metaphor for life. It's teaching boys about teamwork, competition, humility and perseverance.


I know you weren't responding to me. Baseball was sport I was best at. Played through high school and considered trying for college until I tore my shoulder up in football. I should say I played through junior year, couldn't even throw the ball my senior after shoulder injury so I didn't play that year. I just think it's retarded saying these rules are b/c kids are wuss's now or is contributing to them being wimps. These kids are better athletes today than ever. When I played all stars in LL there were maybe 50 people at the games. Now it's packed house and millions of viewers on TV and social media. A lot more pressure for them, they handle it better than every single person in this thread would have including me.

Eta: by no means am I saying I would have made a college team. Just told I was good enough to try out.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21251 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:54 pm to
With all the arguing about how horrible it is to call a LL game on a 10-run "mercy rule", has anyone pointed out that there are also "mercy rules" in effect in D-1 NCAA baseball.

Those sorry-arse D-1 athletes! How wimpy can they be!
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:55 pm to
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I played LL in the 50s when we had none of those rules and parents had no problem getting home at a "decent hour".




I just asked my dad who played LL in early 60s and they had elimination. Maybe the kids in the 50s were just tougher than the kids in early 60s though. He said he can remember moms raising hell if games went past suppertime.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21251 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:56 pm to
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A lot more pressure for them, they handle it better than every single person in this thread would have including me.



No way, man. Nothing but a bunch of alpha all-conference athletes in this thread.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7918 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:59 pm to
Mine is 8. He cried when he caught a pop fly with his face, but other than that, no crying this season.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:03 pm to
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You obviously never played baseball.

Just shut up, gramps.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:06 pm to
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I grew up during the time that kids were cut from the team. In little league I felt bad because my best friend did not make the team. I remember the coach saying when your name is called go stand on the first base line. We heard him tell the ones who got cut to come try out again next year.


This was the case when I was young. Do they all make the team now?

True story. I coached a LL team in New Iberia back in 1972. This was an all star team trying to qualify for LL District Championships on the road to Williamsberg. But we had a friggin' monsoon and the field was under 3 inches of water.

LL informed us that we had to play the game or another team would advance. I was at a loss. Then an old Cajun parent said "Men, go home and get your gasoline cans. We gonna burn this field."

We poured 100s of gallons of gasoline into the water of the infield and lit it. It went up with a FOOOM! And damned if that field wasn't dry enough to play on 20 minutes later. Physics is a wonderful thing.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:08 pm to
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I played many LL games at night. I've never played on a field that didn't have lights, I'm sure many don't though.



When I played LL baseball the only time we played on a field that had lights was when it was a tournament game.

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Also, games during the day usually have other games following that game. You don't want all the games being pushed back. Extra innings with a close game I understand. Losing 12-2 in the 5th inning, in a 6 inning game I don't see the point.


Where I played LL baseball there were several fields although some were better kept than others.

When we had other teams playing a second game after ours on the same field the other teams had to wait until our game was over.

They would either warm up on the sidelines or watch our game to learn about how good some of the teams were that they would play in the future.

Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:11 pm to
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Just shut up, gramps.


Is that the best pitch you've got?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:17 pm to
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I just asked my dad who played LL in early 60s and they had elimination.


We didn't have "elimination" games during the regular season.

However, during what we called "tournament" games we had elimination games until after the State Championship game.

Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:19 pm to
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This was the case when I was young. Do they all make the team now?

My last year of little league was 1990 I think. There was "Little League" and "Minor League." You tried out for LL, and if you didn't make it, you were placed on a ML team. Two leagues, equal size and rules, just one league had the studs and 12-year olds and the other had the scrubs and 9-year-olds. I was very good at being on teams that finished last in the upper league. I think I was on three such teams in a row iirc. I know one time we had a good laugh at the trophy presentation ceremony at the end of the season, and the minor league champs got their trophy and then a couple of them bragged about it to us. One kid on my team said "Shut up queer. Y'all just won the Special Olympics." I laughed for hours that night.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:21 pm to
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Is that the best pitch you've got?

I'll answer your question literally.

To say that I have a noodle of an arm is an insult to pasta. I probably couldn't pitch a pitch fast enough to be tracked by a radar gun. Nothing ever got by me at second base, though.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27104 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:22 pm to
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Baseball is a metaphor for life.

It's teaching boys about teamwork, competition, humility and perseverance.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112478 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:27 pm to
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I was very good at being on teams that finished last in the upper league. I think I was on three such teams in a row iirc. I know one time we had a good laugh at the trophy presentation ceremony at the end of the season, and the minor league champs got their trophy and then a couple of them bragged about it to us. One kid on my team said "Shut up queer. Y'all just won the Special Olympics." I laughed for hours that night.


I know the feeling. When I was 13 I played on a Pony League team (13 and 14) that won the Parish (County) Championship. I rarely played.
When I was 14 I was the star of that team but we finished 3rd.
I can honestly say that I enjoyed having both experiences...winning on the bench and not winning on the field. I learned a lot of life lessons.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:28 pm to
I'm sure it's common now, because it was common when I was playing youth sports in the 80's. It seemed to taper off around 12 or 13 and the kids that really sucked stopped playing. They were the ones that usually cried.

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